Levis are for Liars and Proper Kilt Measurements.

**Andrew Breecher** · 3rd September 04, 07:05 AM

This is why some clothing stores (especially those that sell to women) are now stocking size 0 clothing. Size 0. A non-existant number. Because size 5 is now really a size 7, size 3 is really a size 5, and they need something for the people who used to be a size 2. People are stupid. Everything should be based on actual measurements. If you measure a particular size, that's what size you are. You can't kid yourself.

Andrew.

**Mychael Sporrano** · 3rd September 04, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Breecher

This is why some clothing stores (especially those that sell to women) are now stocking size 0 clothing. Size 0. A non-existant number.

When I first heard about size zero I was baffled! My niece happens to be size zero. While she is a wisp of a thing, she is still mostly visible.

Does anyone else really like Andrew's pic with the brown cow? Everytime I see that avatar I have to smile.

Mychael

**mcnice** · 3rd September 04, 08:37 AM

i just discovered this thread, just after posting my message at utili forum. i m thinking about the measurement with pants on.
i just ordered an original from utilikilts, but i m worrying about its size. as told on their page one should measure with its levi´s on it, but in a way why shouldn´t i take the measurements with a simple shirt. i m afraid of getting the kilt to large, what as i knew isn´t a big deal because of the belt worn with, but i d like to wear the kilt tighter.
has anybody experience and can tell me how those kilts are cutted? should i really keep my measurement on the large side?
thx
daniel

**Mychael Sporrano** · 3rd September 04, 10:25 AM

The entire issue of measuring oneself for kilts and jackets can be more than a little unnerving, at least that has been my experience. The methods can be confusing and often vary from purveyor to purveyor, one should have the assistance of another person, and given the amount of money one is spending, the consequences of not getting it right can incite gut wrenching fear.

After triple checking all measurements, the last jacket I ordered came with sleeves 1.5" [3.75 cm]
too long! That was easily remedied locally for a $14 charge, but who got it incorrect and if I order another jacket should I compensate for this and risk the sleeves being 1.5" too short this time around?

I ordered Gillies that arrived too large. I returned them and found the next pair sent was too large as well. Hopefully a replacement pair is in the mail.

I ordered two traditional kilts and was really sweating out length and waist. Both arrived fine, much to my relief.

Very unnerving, this entire business of clothing from afar. Also a lot of fun as well!

Mychael

**Rob Wright** · 5th September 04, 11:53 AM

I've found that some companies add a little bit in the waist or on the length of the sleeve because many people exagerate their measurements. Whenever I order I stress that the measurements I give are accurate and have been doubled checked by the individual who measured me. It really helps to have an extra person around to help you with your measurements. It saves you grief down the road. 8)

Rob Wright

**RockyR** · 6th September 04, 04:56 AM

Jeans companies are in a VERY competitive business. They need every advantage they can get. Here's the theory:

"If a customer has on a pair of Lee Jeans and then tries on a pair of Levi's, but they levis say they're a 34 waist where the Lee's say they're a 36, they are "thinner" in the Levis, so that's what they'll buy". Cheesey corporate thoughts, but that's the way the country is... Same goes for T Shirts and Women's clothes. If you HAVE any t shirts from 25 years ago, you can do a little experiment. Break it out and compare it's size (if you can sill read it) to a t shirt from today. Back then a large was smaller than it is today. A large from 25 years ago fits like a Medium today.

As kiltmakers, we tell you the truth, no matter how much it hurts.

As Robert said... we don't want to make the kilt more than once... we want it to fit right the first time.

One quick little tip... if you DON'T have a cloth tape measure, wrap a string or chain around you and mark where they overlap. Lay it flat on a table / floor and measure it with the tape measure. That'll be your waist measurement. Also... you may want to take the measurements 2 times... "measure twice, order once"

**RockyR** · 6th September 04, 05:08 AM

[quote="Mychael"]

Originally Posted by Andrew Breecher

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Does anyone else really like Andrew's pic with the brown cow? Everytime I see that avatar I have to smile.

Mychael

Maybe it's his manikin to measure himself for the next Kilt?

:mrgreen:

I know what you all mean by the size issue, I too had the same problem, How dissapointed that when I got mine I ordered at a 35 inch waist, I had to send it back to have 2 inches removed :mrgreen: