What's with these uneducated educators?

[highlander_Daz]

Im afraid it does hold water, if your attending a formal dance (as advertised)wearing the Kilt then a PC or at least and Argyll jacket and matching accesories is appropriate, what other people are wearing is up to them, the fact of the matter is Nathan as he stands looks a bit of a dogs dinner, and is not appropriate for a formal event, its good to see that Clan Gunn has recognised this and is clubbing around for the accessories etc.

[Ugly Bear]

best. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that it's possible that Principal McClard has just as much support as Nathan Warmack. Simply because contrary opinions don't last long on this forum doesn't mean they don't exist - something to be aware of.

Of course he has his supporters. And we have ours. What's going on here is public discourse. Each side will make its arguments and a decision will be reached. One side is going to be disappointed, and I'd rather it not be mine. So there's no way I'm going to defer to the other side just to be polite.

Anyone who doesn't like being called a clown, I think you know which side to choose.

Im afraid it does hold water, if your attending a formal dance (as advertised)wearing the Kilt then a PC or at least and Argyll jacket and matching accesories is appropriate, what other people are wearing is up to them, the fact of the matter is Nathan as he stands looks a bit of a dogs dinner, and is not appropriate for a formal event, its good to see that Clan Gunn has recognised this and is clubbing around for the accessories etc.

I doubt the dance was formal. Formals usually aren't held in autumn. The news story said he was allowed into the dance once he changed into pants -- the story said nothing about a jacket or wingtips.

We all saw the photo. We saw what the principal called a "clown." So it's damn obvious what happened: The principal saw the kilt, freaked out, over-reacted and threw his (limited) power around inappropriately. If you try to see it from "their" point of view, then you reward behavior like that. I won't do it. I had my doubts earlier about Nathan's appearance, but no more. What happened was wrong.

[Blu (Ontario)]

I wondered if perhaps there was a bit of "history" between these two individuals.

[royce52]

I wondered if perhaps there was a bit of "history" between these two individuals.

Not as far as is known. Both have been characterized as "good people".

R

[royce52]

It certainly does matter what the others are wearing, because the issue isnt whether or not the attire was formal enough for the evening, but whether or not the standards help for the event were universally enforced.
If the only difference was the kilt, and not the 'level' to which it had been dressed up, then thats flat out wrong.

The kilt seems to have been the only issue.

R

[Yaish]

Im afraid it does hold water, if your attending a formal dance (as advertised)wearing the Kilt then a PC or at least and Argyll jacket and matching accesories is appropriate, what other people are wearing is up to them, the fact of the matter is Nathan as he stands looks a bit of a dogs dinner, and is not appropriate for a formal event, its good to see that Clan Gunn has recognised this and is clubbing around for the accessories etc.

It certainly does matter what the others are wearing, because the issue isnt whether or not the attire was formal enough for the evening, but whether or not the standards help for the event were universally enforced.
If the only difference was the kilt, and not the 'level' to which it had been dressed up, then thats flat out wrong.

[highlander_Daz]

I think we are filling in the gaps here, basiscally it was a "silver arrow dance" Ive no idea what that is, this young man was told he couldnt attend becasue he was wearin the kilt, basically thats all we know as a fact. the principlal may or may not have said he looks like a clown we dont know that, like ive already stated if he were to attend a FORMAL event here, dressed like on the photo, then he would be offered advice, and possibly refused entry, not because he wearing the kilt but becasue or the way its worn, Im all for alternative kilts and such lkie but for a formal dance or dinner (as im assuming a "silver arrow dance" is) then he is dressed inapproriatly. And if the Principla has imposed a dress code (and as the organiser he is entitled to) then either attend as required or dont attend. If I was invited to an event where the Kilt was banned I would not attend and write a stern letter expressing my views and asking for the rules to be changed.

[Ugly Bear]

Yes, there's a whole lot we don't know for sure. Maybe it was a formal dance (doubt it), maybe there was a dress code posted in advance (doubt it), maybe the dress code was evenly enforced (doubt it) and maybe the principal was the organizer of the event (really, really doubt it).

All these doubts stem from the same thing: COMPLETE SILENCE FROM THE PRINCIPAL! Story after story relates the same thing: The principal could not be contacted for comment. He is shutting out the press.

Did he call Nathan a clown? Is there a "history" between them? The principal could clear up these issues in a heartbeat if he'd just tell his side of the story. He's had plenty of time and opportunity to do so. I'm inclined to think that if he had anything contrary to say, he'd've said it. His silence is damning.

As for the question of whether there's a history of friction between them, I'm guessing there is. The principal sounds like such a prick that it would be hard to see how ANYONE couldn't get on his bad side, or hold him in low esteem.

Until he speaks up for himself, I won't take seriously any attempt to defend the principal (except for the defenses I've posted much earlier in this thread, which I have partially retracted).

[Sciuropterus]

I think the pricipal keeping his mouth shut is the only smart thing he has done, he is probably under orders not to comment, as his superiors no doubt realize that anything he might say will just make the situation look worse, based on his past comments. I hope they have a Scottish theme for their prom and all the guys wear kilts.

[Hamish]

I think we are filling in the gaps here, basiscally it was a "silver arrow dance" Ive no idea what that is, this young man was told he couldnt attend becasue he was wearin the kilt, basically thats all we know as a fact. the principlal may or may not have said he looks like a clown we dont know that, like ive already stated if he were to attend a FORMAL event here, dressed like on the photo, then he would be offered advice, and possibly refused entry, not because he wearing the kilt but becasue or the way its worn, Im all for alternative kilts and such lkie but for a formal dance or dinner (as im assuming a "silver arrow dance" is) then he is dressed inapproriatly. And if the Principla has imposed a dress code (and as the organiser he is entitled to) then either attend as required or dont attend. If I was invited to an event where the Kilt was banned I would not attend and write a stern letter expressing my views and asking for the rules to be changed.

Daz,

You know, you do write a lot of sense?! Having only just been able to see the photo of this young man as he was at the dance, my immediate (yet considered) opinion is: Well, if he turned up dressed like that to a dance I was organising (unless it be a Ceilidh), I too would have banned him. There's nothing wrong with the kilt and, fair enough, maybe he didn't have the funds to obtain a sporran or a formal jacket but who, in their right mind, goes to a dance in BOOTS?!

The lad's partner is elegantly dressed, as were most likely all of the other ladies present - hopefully the men too - so why did Nathan have to let everyone else down by looking as if he's off out on a country walk. I know this is the grumpy old man speaking, but soon after I first began wearing the kilt at the age of 14, I was invited to a formal Scottish Dance with Supper and, much as I wanted to wear the kilt I knew I could not as I hadn't the appropriate jacket or accessories. I attended the event in a Dinner Jacket suit, as was appropriate, and suffered an uncomfortable evening of dancing in trousers - but, at least, no-one was aware of my discomfort nor, more to the point, did I offend or embarrass my hosts or anyone else.

I'm sorry Nathan, but you got it wrong on this occasion.