An Open Question for 'Jock Scot' (and Scots)

[Detroitpete]

I What a cheap world it would be if we all abandoned our family history and traditions in favor of shallow modern culture!

We also must remember that this 'shallow modern culture' will become the history and traditions of those who follow us.

[sailortats]

Father Bill, Detroitpete, Tobus, thank you for speaking so eloquently in your posts above. I am sure your words have explained much to many.

[Tobus]

We also must remember that this 'shallow modern culture' will become the history and traditions of those who follow us.

Not if I can help it!!!!

[O'Searcaigh]

Everything is related to everything else by the relation of difference (at least) -- otherwise, no thing would be what it is. Moreover, citizenship, culture, nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing; that's why we have different words for them. The recent points made above are indeed exactly on point and correct and I'm afraid that those who still just don't get it just don't want to.

[Please pardon this abrupt and pointed "lecture" from an old philosophy professor but I think I may have lost patience with this whole thing some time ago]. Where's the emoticon for frustration?

[Detroitpete]

[Please pardon this abrupt and pointed "lecture" from an old philosophy professor but I think I may have lost patience with this whole thing some time ago]. Where's the emoticon for frustration?

Kilto ergo sum?

[O'Searcaigh]

Kilto ergo sum?

*** Beautiful! - and of course correct!

[Father Bill]

Everything is related to everything else by the relation of difference (at least) -- otherwise, no thing would be what it is. Moreover, citizenship, culture, nationality and ethnicity are not the same thing; that's why we have different words for them. The recent points made above are indeed exactly on point and correct and I'm afraid that those who still just don't get it just don't want to.

[Please pardon this abrupt and pointed "lecture" from an old philosophy professor but I think I may have lost patience with this whole thing some time ago]. Where's the emoticon for frustration?

Aye. I get frustrated with the repetitive chorus of "I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it." This has been thoughtfully and considerately explained almost ad nauseum by many, myself included, but some folks as you say obviously don't want to get it.

Father Bill, Detroitpete, Tobus, thank you for speaking so eloquently in your posts above. I am sure your words have explained much to many.

Sailor, thanks for your kind comment; I fear however, that they may not have explained anything to those we've described who shun understanding - likely out of fear.

Thanks, Prof O'Searcaigh!

[Jock Scot]

Aye. I get frustrated with the repetitive chorus of "I don't get it, I don't get it, I don't get it." This has been thoughtfully and considerately explained almost ad nauseum by many, myself included, but some folks as you say obviously don't want to get it.



Sailor, thanks for your kind comment; I fear however, that they may not have explained anything to those we've described who shun understanding - likely out of fear.

Thanks, Prof O'Searcaigh!

Or, might it be that those voicing an opinion, (any opinion) have not come up with a train off thought that is just not good enough to persuade those with a differing view to change their mind?

Having given this topic a fair deal of thought I am not sure there is ever going to unilateral understanding. We have an "old" country that seems to be moderately comfortable with their, history, traditions, culture-----who they are. Also there are "new" countries who are struggling(in a nice sence) with merging into a one nation and-------AND----- who they are. A simplistic view maybe, which leaves a huge gap for all the, yes buts, not reallies, I don't understand, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, and all the rest and inevitably whilst we all agree that understanding each other's thoughts is at the very least helpful, it is almost impossible to achieve when the people in the discussion cannot even put themselves in the others "shoes". How can they? Their experiences are so different, particularly as their respective nation is at a completely different stage of their devolpment .-----------------There is no harm in trying to understand though, as long as there is no high expectation of success!

[Father Bill]

Or, might it be that those voicing an opinion, (any oppinion) have not come up with a train off thought that is just not good enough to persuade those with a diiffering view to change their mind?

Jock - wrong. Dead wrong, and mildly offensive. I'm not trying to persuade anyone of anything. I'm trying to explain my own mindset. I'm expressing my opinion, much as you express yours, and it's offensive to suggest that anyone's thinking isn't good enough. That suggests an affected air of defensive superiority that is only hurtful, and you and a couple of others have taken up that defensive position.

Anyone's expression of their own mindset is perfectly good enough, because it is their own mindset, and as you have clearly, in this case abruptly and frequently stated, it's not acceptable to you. That's dismissive of an opinion and an emotional perception, not of a line of logic, and it suggests encrustment and anger.

Are you dismissive, encrusted, or angry? I don't think so. There are too many things that you say and do that suggest otherwise, and I still like and respect you for those. That's why it hurts when you dismiss our emotions, worldview, and gestalt. It starts to feel like a personal attack, and I don't think you'd do that if you were willing to recognize them as such. When somebody takes the risk of sharing their emotions and heartfelt thoughts, it's inappropriate and unfortunate to be flippant, disengaged or dismissive.

[Detroitpete]

Or, might it be that those voicing an opinion, (any oppinion) have not come up with a train off thought that is just not good enough to persuade those with a diiffering view to change their mind?

Now Jock, I thought I had you with my Descartesian treatise on the kilt and the existance of man! Drats, foiled again!