fleurdelis.com?

[TenorClef]

It gives me no pleasure to tell you that fleurdelis.com IS a bucket shop.

Any organisation with proper heraldic knowledge and respect for heraldic traditions would not devise arms for a person who is not entitled to them.You are a citizen of the UK and as such you are not entitled.

Thanks Chas...can any one here advise on how I close my account here at xmarksthescot?

[TenorClef]

Thank you for your encouraging pm tripleblessed....it does seem all to often the new guy goes through a 'rite of passage' whereby he recieves a thorough pummelling and doubly so when he is ignorant of a subject. Its hard to read the tenure of some peoples comments and certainly I've no axe to grind just a genuine curiousity. When I first joined this forum I posted in the introduce yourself section and then scanning down the forum sections the Heraldy section caught my curiosity that is all which made me google the subject hence my original question regarding fleurdelis.com...

[Chas]

It gives me no pleasure to tell you that fleurdelis.com IS a bucket shop.

Any organisation with proper heraldic knowledge and respect for heraldic traditions would not devise arms for a person who is not entitled to them.You are a citizen of the UK and as such you are not entitled.

Sorry, I was writing in haste and left out vital information.

Anyone in England is entitled to assume arms, but unless a person is a judge, bishop, baron, viscount, earl, marquis or duke, they are not allowed supporters. The use of supporters is strictly controlled and is a mark of rank. If you say that fleurdelis.com is designing arms that incorporate supporters then they are a bucket shop.

I apologise for not giving you complete information, but do not apologise for telling the truth. I have been active in the heraldry world for over 40 years and can tell you that fleurdelis.com does not have a good name or reputation.

You asked for advice and I gave you good advice. You cannot blame me, if you choose not to take it.

[TenorClef]

So who would Chas recommend to create a assumed CoA's? Surely their has to be some guys out there with both the skill set and the appropiate experience to do one correctly?

[Carlo]

So who would Chas recommend to create a assumed CoA's? Surely their has to be some guys out there with both the skill set and the appropiate experience to do one correctly?

Don't waste your money. I suggest -

http://amateurheralds.com/

Join and work with the design team - get something unique and special to you.

I think that would be your Answer.

[TenorClef]

I think that would be your Answer.

Ok Carlo i'll join said group and see if they are all they are cracked out to be.

[TenorClef]

"In England and Wales, the law of arms is regarded as a part of the laws of England, and the common law courts will take judicial notice of it as such. These dignities, as they are called, have legal standing. But the law of arms is not part of the common law and the common law Courts have no jurisdiction over matters of dignities and honours, such as armorial bearings, or peerages. In this respect the law of arms was most influenced by the civil law and may be regarded as similar to the ecclesiastical law, which is a part of the laws of England influenced by canon law, but not part of the common law.
In England the exclusive jurisdiction of deciding rights to arms, and claims of descent, is vested in the Court of Chivalry. As the substance of the common law is found in the judgments of the common law Courts, so the substance of the Law of Arms can only be found in the customs and usages of the Court of Chivalry. However, the records of this are sparse, not least because the Court never gave reasoned judgments (the Lord Chief Justice who sat in 1954 offering the sole exception to this, no doubt because of his professional background as a common law Judge). The procedure was based on that of the civil law, but the substantive law was recognised to be English, and peculiar to the Court of Chivalry.
Until 1945 coats of arms (engravings, public paintings, etc.) were taxed, with no distinction made in the statute between arms granted by the College of Arms or those which were self-assumed."

This info was pulled from Wiki...if I understood it correctly, it means there isn't a Heraldry Police in the UK as such? Effectively you can do what the hell you like there isn't an authority that will come chasing you and taking you to court......however others will have opposite opinions....they remain just that opinions not based on legality of common law. I thought that was very interesting. The more I read about Coat of Arms the more I realise the power of choice is within the individual and not for any other authority or individual to dictate how we celebrate our personal logo/coat of arms.

[tripleblessed]

This info was pulled from Wiki...if I understood it correctly, it means there isn't a Heraldry Police in the UK as such? Effectively you can do what the hell you like there isn't an authority that will come chasing you and taking you to court......however others will have opposite opinions....they remain just that opinions not based on legality of common law. I thought that was very interesting. The more I read about Coat of Arms the more I realise the power of choice is within the individual and not for any other authority or individual to dictate how we celebrate our personal logo/coat of arms.

In my PM I mentioned that many of us have crashed and burned here upon first landing. The decent thing to do is put out the flames, dust yourself off, and find a better tone, and build some bridges so learning can begin and be enjoyed. In my post above I mentioned that while Wiki often has some reasonably accurate info on some subjects, no sane person would base life choices on that info without further research. As well, one would not accost a senior veteran regimental pipe major and begin pontificating about how one's reading of a Wiki article on pipes gives one the right to tell him how to do his job, but that's about how you've chosen to proceed. It reveals more about your sensibilities than your admission of ignorance on the subject. I would hazard a guess it will be extremely difficult to proceed toward a positive outcome with respect to getting a decent coat of arms from any source without serious introspection. Chivalry and heraldry go hand in hand, and both are based on codes involving self respect and respect for others. Until one chooses to find and exhibit some of both anonymity might be a better choice than a coat of arms announcing ones' identity.

Sadly, if there ever was any serious intent to obtain a coat of arms, you seem to be choosing to pass on expert, willing, cost-effective
assistance to go after something gaudy and tasteless with a cost well exceeding value. If that appraisal is inaccurate, well and good. If
accurate you might as well be reconciled to deserving what you end up with. You might consider the motto "A fool and his money are soon parted".

[TenorClef]

One reaches a point when one slowly backs away and makes for the exit. Good day gentlemen.

[TenorClef]

This is my brief sketch from fleurdelis.com, I must say I like it! Colour to follow. I should add I have also joined http://amateurheralds.com/ too so no doubt a revision or two will follow. For those interested in the rational- the two bears represent my two daughters, the sackbuts (my professional qualifications as a trombonist), the Thistle my Scottish grandfather (yes I have a thimble of Scottish blood!), Castle= Dunans Castle in Scotland and my support of the rebuilding of said Castle. Helm shaped with a Cross visor showing my affiliation to Christendom, the Islamic Crest moon & star my wife's Asian background. Motto- Recta Pete. "Seek For The Right Things".

Criticisms not welcome please!