Enough is Enough

[Bob C]

Nonsense. You set yourself up as the standard and challenged others to defend themselves for thinking differently.

I simply challenged your authority to do so.

[Freedomlover]

Nonsense. You set yourself up as the standard and challenged others to defend themselves for thinking differently.

I simply challenged your authority to do so.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

My question was:
"What I would like to know is why men who wish to be taken seriously permit that sort of behavior. Think about it."

That is a straightforward question, and that is all it is.

[davedove]

My question was:
"What I would like to know is why men who wish to be taken seriously permit that sort of behavior. Think about it."

That is a straightforward question, and that is all it is.

I think it's probably that this board is made up of a wide variety of people, each with different views. Some of us may not take ourselves that seriously. I don't, because as Confucious said: "The man who learns to laugh at himself will never cease to be amused."

Besides, I've found that many times when you let it be known that an action bothers you, people will continue the behavior just to annoy you. By laughing it off, you disarm them. Not always, of course, but many times this is true.

[Mike n NC]

I think it's probably that this board is made up of a wide variety of people, each with different views. Some of us may not take ourselves that seriously. I don't, because as Confucious said: "The man who learns to laugh at himself will never cease to be amused."

Yep, life is way too short to take it seriously. Besides...nobody gets out of it alive anyway.

If I have a question of how important something may be I generally just ask myself...."Self, how many people are really gonna care in a hundred years or so?"

Mike

[bear]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

My question was:
"What I would like to know is why men who wish to be taken seriously permit that sort of behavior. Think about it."

That is a straightforward question, and that is all it is.

I find it hard to take seriously the assumption that a peek up a kilt is sexual harrassment. That is an illogical assessment of flirting with a bit of curiosity. Add to it the mystique that is purposely put on the kilt, the willingness of LOTS of guys to have their kilts checked, and you have zero chance of winning a case for harrassment.

And I'm not sure there's any correllation between being taken seriously and letting some lass sneak a peek at your bum. It's not about seriousness; it's about fun.

[Freedomlover]

I think it's probably that this board is made up of a wide variety of people, each with different views. Some of us may not take ourselves that seriously. I don't, because as Confucious said: "The man who learns to laugh at himself will never cease to be amused."

Yep. Lot's of different views. That is one reason it so interesting.

Besides, I've found that many times when you let it be known that an action bothers you, people will continue the behavior just to annoy you. By laughing it off, you disarm them. Not always, of course, but many times this is true.

Very true. Thanks for reminding me.

[Raphael]

What I would like to know is why men who wish to be taken seriously permit that sort of behavior. Think about it.

Client meetings are the only times that I demand to be taken seriously. Once the meetings are done, I am all about fun and games. I have done to enough business and social functions to say that people know when is good time to do kilt checks. Most people will wait until the functions are over before they attempt anything. Inappropiate questions are seldom when I am talking business.

Life is too short to be serious all the time. If I want people to take serious of me the whole time, I will be in Grey Pinstripe Suit all 24/7. Life is about having and get into adventures.

If I demand people stop lifting my kilt in the pub, is that mean I wanted to be treated like a lady? Man, I don't want to be treated like a lady. Being a lady is not something I want to be. I want to be a man.

Male Bodies are cheap and most of us just don't have the modesty like women. A little cheeky fun time in the pub never hurt anyone.

[MacConnachie]

When asked "whats under the kilt just say "You show me first" so far it has never gone any farther than that.
Robert "the kilted" Lamb

Robert, I like that response. Do you mind if I add it, or something in the same spirit, to my repertoire?

One of my favorites, in mixed company, is to say, "Some choose to wear underwear; others prefer to dress properly." Sort of keeps them at arm's length, since for them to then ask you what you think is proper dress might be going too far. And, proper dress, depending on personal taste, etc., could certainly include the wearing of nether garments.

Of course, some will never be put off or dissuaded from their quest, so for certain amongst those, the "lipstick" remark is best kept in reserve until absolutely necessary. I've NEVER used the latter, but, Oh my, have I been tempted.

[Freedomlover]

I find it hard to take seriously the assumption that a peek up a kilt is sexual harrassment.

Maybe not in Canada.

That is an illogical assessment of flirting with a bit of curiosity. Add to it the mystique that is purposely put on the kilt, the willingness of LOTS of guys to have their kilts checked,...

Sure, lot's of guys don't mind, and I am not even close to suggesting that they should. All I wanted to know was the reasoning.

...and you have zero chance of winning a case for harrassment.

Again, perhaps not in Canada, but in this country it will most definitely float.

And I'm not sure there's any correllation between being taken seriously and letting some lass sneak a peek at your bum. It's not about seriousness; it's about fun.

Fun. Sure. Nothing like the good old double standard, eh?

[Raphael]

Double Standard is double edged sword and it also helps to define Men and Women. I have no problem in living in this double standard society.