Welsh Cilt

[auld argonian]

Actually, most of the dictionaries that I've looked at say that either pronunciation (pronunskiation if you're Popeye, phonuncication if you're Junior Samples from Hee-Haw) is acceptable. Hey...Certs is a candy mint/Certs is a breath mint....

When I took Latin in high school we were taught what the minds at the time thought was "classical" pronunciation. My son is taking it now and whenever I read anything out loud around him I get that "are you insane/don't embarass me" teen age look. Unless we could go back and capture an actual Roman, I doubt that we'll ever know what the correct pronunciation is...language changes (I almost said corrupts but that has such a negative connotation that I can't use it) so subtly and over time. The trend in the production of the plays of Shakespeare is to use a much more traditional pronunciation and cadence than has been used lately. It takes a few minutes to get attuned to it but it makes much more sense in a way than most of the usual interpretations.

"Oh, that this too, too solid flesh should celt...er...melt..."

best

AA

[Sherry]

I think some interesting strides have been made in determining original Roman pronunciation of Latin, though, of course, we do know the c's were always hard, & no, we'll never know with exactness how they spoke.

I remember my surprise in learning that the German kaiser (the word, not persons) came from the Latin pronunciation of caeser.

I'm sure the sassenach joke was purely TIC (tongue-in-cheek). We Americans typically are of mixed heritage (Scottish, Welsh, Native American, & English for myself), & we take such statements as they are intended--with a wry grin.

Sherry

[emeraldfalconoflight]

Is it just me or is anyone else confused. What difference, if any, is there between a Scottish Kilt, or Welsh Cilt?

[flyv65]

Is it just me or is anyone else confused. What difference, if any, is there between a Scottish Kilt, or Welsh Cilt?

Very little, actually. The Welsh cilts are made from 13 oz tartan woven in Welsh mills; Cardiff, IIRC. The cilt has a hem since the material has no selvedge.

Bryan...welcoming corrections and/or additional information...

[Archangel]

As the majority of the English are not Saxons (Sassenachs), it stands to reason that most English People are quite capable of pronouncing the 'k' sound. In fact we English think the Scots are strange when they call a football (soccer) team 'Glasgow Celtic' and pronounce it 'Seltic'. Perhaps you Scots are more 'Sassenach' than you think.

Rob (a non-Sassenach Englishman)

whoops, sorry, there was no intent to offend.

[chasem]

Is it just me or is anyone else confused. What difference, if any, is there between a Scottish Kilt, or Welsh Cilt?

As Bryan said, they have a hem, no selvedge.

One of the things I've noticed with the [limited number of] Welsh tartans that I've seen is that the tartan seems to have a different pattern in the warp and the weft, rather than having the same pattern in each as the Scottish tartans have.

[Hamish]

As Bryan said, they have a hem, no selvedge.

One of the things I've noticed with the [limited number of] Welsh tartans that I've seen is that the tartan seems to have a different pattern in the warp and the weft, rather than having the same pattern in each as the Scottish tartans have.

Like this, do you mean:


This is the Welsh National Tartan, or Brithwe Dewi Sant (St. David's tartan). I am not so sure that all Welsh tartans were designed in like manner - perhaps Derek, our in-house cilt expert, can clarify this.

[flyv65]

I am not so sure that all Welsh tartans were designed in like manner - perhaps Derek, our in-house cilt expert, can clarify this.

I can't speak for "all" the Welsh tartans, but the Williams is also, err, *directional*, I guess you could say.



Bryan...now that you mention it, I can think of several of them...

[chasem]

Like this, do you mean:


This is the Welsh National Tartan, or Brithwe Dewi Sant (St. David's tartan). I am not so sure that all Welsh tartans were designed in like manner - perhaps Derek, our in-house cilt expert, can clarify this.

Yes Ham, precisely. Actually, prior to reading this post, the Welsh Cilts that you and Derek own were the only ones I had seen. I had also seen one other Welsh tartan.

I just went to the Welsh Kilt Store though and browsed through a few tartans. All the ones I saw had a different pattern in the warp in the weft. So, that's not a definitive answer, but several at least are different

[davedove]

Like this, do you mean:


This is the Welsh National Tartan, or Brithwe Dewi Sant (St. David's tartan). I am not so sure that all Welsh tartans were designed in like manner - perhaps Derek, our in-house cilt expert, can clarify this.

I see Hamish's cilt has a small bit of embroidery on the bottom of the apron and different web stores have shown something similar. Is this traditional on the Welsh Kilt?