Who Was Prince Charlie Anyway?

[beloitpiper]

More MacLeay paintings:



Granted, these guys are pretty decked out, but then again, it was the Victorian era.

[BoldHighlander]

The subject to the right, William Duff (Atholeman), was always one of my favorite studies by MacLeay. In part the awesome beard but also his everyday appearance (represented here). Duff, who was a game-watcher for the Duke of Athole, was said to be a picturesque character whose usual unkempt appearance was tidied up by the artist(!!).

[ccga3359]

The subject to the right, William Duff (Atholeman), was always one of my favorite studies by MacLeay. In part the awesome beard but also his everyday appearance (represented here). Duff, who was a game-watcher for the Duke of Athole, was said to be a picturesque character whose usual unkempt appearance was tidied up by the artist(!!).

Oh my, I thought it to be James MacMillan.

I am really liking the Tartan Argyle the gentleman on the left is wearing.

I know I posted this pic but is there any significance to the glengarry on the ground?

[sharpdressedscot]

He dropped it? Wind? The hat can move?

[Monkey@Arms]

Oh my, I thought it to be James MacMillan.



I am really liking the Tartan Argyle the gentleman on the left is wearing.

I know I posted this pic but is there any significance to the glengarry on the ground?

Uhm, Mr. Brown was about to perform the Highland version of the Mexican Hat Dance?



Best regards,

Jake

[Emmett O'Hegarty]

I am impressed by my fellow XMTS members...you ask a question and immediately receive intelligent and thorough answers. Well done.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Nanook,
No offense intended, but I can't follow your line of argument-- for example you quote "equestrian fashion" as though it is somehow different than "civilian fashion"... huh? Anyhow this is getting too far off topic (Prince Charlie Coatees) to spend anymore time discussing things like the time line of the social acceptability of Levis (which I'd though made the big break though when Gene Autry had a tuxedo made from Levi denim before the second world war). Anyhow, I think we're going to have to amicably disagree on the military/civilian origins of the Prince Charlie coatee as we seem to be the only guys interested in it.

[Nanook]

Nanook,
No offense intended, but I can't follow your line of argument-- for example you quote "equestrian fashion" as though it is somehow different than "civilian fashion"... huh?

It was. Equestrian garb and fashion were quite distinct up well into the 20th century. The divisions become less as sporting clothing became business dress.

Anyhow this is getting too far off topic (Prince Charlie Coatees)

One could check with Wm Anderson to find out the dating on their earliest patterns for their "Kinloch Anderson Coatee".

Gene Autry had a tuxedo made from Levi denim before the second world war).

Gene Autry was a "singing cowboy" and hardly a role model of fashion except for other "singing cowboys". He was never hip or cool but the counter pole to the urban chic fashion of Fred Astaire as someone for the masses to want to identify with rather than aspire to become.

we seem to be the only guys interested in it.

One can't judge the interest by the volume of participation.

[Phil]

The Prince Charlie is a very similar cut to the type of mess jackets worn by the military and is probably a "civilianised" version. Officers would wear their full dress uniforms to social events and civilians would want something similar to look as good and impress the ladies - it just didn't have the big epaulettes and silver or gold braid. The double breasted Montrose is also known as a military doublet and no doubt has similar origins. There does not appear to be any equestrian link though. The type of jacket worn by the hunting fraternity (the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible) was generally bright red (pink they call it) and a longer jacket but without any of the embellishments such as cuff details, epaulettes, silver buttons, tashes etc.

[Jock Scot]

The Prince Charlie is a very similar cut to the type of mess jackets worn by the military and is probably a "civilianised" version. Officers would wear their full dress uniforms to social events and civilians would want something similar to look as good and impress the ladies - it just didn't have the big epaulettes and silver or gold braid. The double breasted Montrose is also known as a military doublet and no doubt has similar origins. There does not appear to be any equestrian link though. The type of jacket worn by the hunting fraternity (the unspeakable in pursuit of the inedible) was generally bright red (pink they call it) and a longer jacket but without any of the embellishments such as cuff details, epaulettes, silver buttons, tashes etc.

I have seen many hunting pictures,of the 1800's period,where the huntsmen are wearing a jacket with short tails very much like a PC.My old hunting jacket,cut more like a long sports coat, was yellow(lemon we call it) with silver crested buttons,green collar with a silver bullion fox on either side of the collar.