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    A Question From A Club Member

    Because of the negativism often displayed on this site with regard to conforming to expected dress standards (as in the example above) could some one please tell me if this is due to a knee jerk refusal to be told what to do, a lack of understanding the "how's and why's" of conforming to dress standards, or is it down to a basic economic argument because someone does not own the proper "gear"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by auld argonian View Post
    If an event asks for a standard of dress, haven't we gotten past that 1960's thing of trying to Stick It To The Man and flaunt the request that we dress appropriately? It's nice to be able to go somewhere where everyone isn't wearing jeans and gym shoes. It's like I said before, when I went to see Jersey Boys here at the Schubert Theatre a couple of months ago, I was the only guy not on stage who was wearing a jacket and tie...what was with that?
    I must agree. My wife and I still like to get dressed up to go out to dinner but I usually feel like the principle in a school yard. It is amazing what people will wear in public these days. Personally I would prefer the days when a gentleman would expect to wear a jacket and tie to go to a restaurant.

    Crusty, the outfit you chose sounds fine. make sure you post those pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Because of the negativism often displayed on this site with regard to conforming to expected dress standards (as in the example above) could some one please tell me if this is due to a knee jerk refusal to be told what to do, a lack of understanding the "how's and why's" of conforming to dress standards, or is it down to a basic economic argument because someone does not own the proper "gear"?
    I have to say it is something I don't understand as well. I think that one should dress to the best of one's ability in proper attire for a situation.
    I think very well of Crusty for trying his best to come up with an outfit that is appropriate for this party and it sounds like he has come up with a very nice one.

    Kilts are certainly handsome and distinctive garments. I am fortunate in that over the last couple of years I have been able to assemble in my modest wardrobe enough accessories that I have outfits for almost any occasion.

    I think that if the choice is between wearing a suit/sportcoat and pants well or a kilted outfit poorly I would much rather wear the former.

    There is a place for individuality in one's dress, but one cannot forget either the rules of Fashion or the requirements of polite society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown View Post
    Because of the negativism often displayed on this site with regard to conforming to expected dress standards (as in the example above) could some one please tell me if this is due to a knee jerk refusal to be told what to do, a lack of understanding the "how's and why's" of conforming to dress standards, or is it down to a basic economic argument because someone does not own the proper "gear"?
    I have no wish to sound "snobby" or "snooty",but I would like to know the answer to M. of R's question,because I really don't understand where some people are coming from.Likewise I get the distinct feeling that people do wonder what planet I am on,sometimes.Not surprising in some ways,I know,I was born and grew up in a differant age to most of you.

    Of course we are all courteous to each other,and why not,but It would be helpful all round if we understand each other a wee tad at least.

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    Well, we weren't told what the event was with all the clothing rules...so my knee jerk was a generic one.

    At that generic level, I don't much enjoy spending time with rule bound people. That's just me. Seems a set up to make a mistake and be told about it, rejected, refused, snubbed, et.al.

    Learning further what the venue and event is, and the need to include the audience as part of the "cast" it makes more sense.

    On the other hand I would not "ruin" someone's party by dressing scruffy or inappropriately. Nor would I waste my time going to a party that had a similar clothing list included with the invite. I doubt I'd enjoy being in the company of folks who didn't accept their friends as they are or who try to make their friends what they're not.

    Just me being me.

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    WOW!! I remember going there in about 1980 - it is a fantastic place and well worth the hassle of adhering to a dress code. Enjoy a 'magic' occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoldHighlander View Post
    Well the rules do say "ethnic" is okay

    I look forward to the report of the event, I've always wanted to pay a visit to the Magic Castle since I was a kid!

    Yes, but if there are fashion police at the door, such may need a ruling from a higher authority. Maybe. It's happened before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Daw View Post
    Yes, but if there are fashion police at the door, such may need a ruling from a higher authority. Maybe. It's happened before.
    The "rules" basically said coat and tie. Not once did they mention troosers
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    Quote Originally Posted by fluter View Post
    The "rules" basically said coat and tie. Not once did they mention troosers

    Exactly. Therein will lie the befuddlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panache View Post
    I think very well of Crusty for trying his best to come up with an outfit that is appropriate for this party and it sounds like he has come up with a very nice one.
    Thank you. I really appreciate the compliment.

    My wife and I had a great time yesterday. We had no trouble getting in. Actually, we we better dressed than some of the people there. My outfit got rave reviews from friends, strangers, and the staff at the Magic Castle. I didn't tell anyone at my church what I would be wearing. I only told them that I got a kilt jacket for the event. They were all surprised at how good I looked. Even my sister-in-law, who begs me to wear pants when we go somewhere together, said that my outfit looked good.

    I went to the bar and ordred a Glenlivet 12, and the barteder commented about my outfit and proceeded to pour me a double. He later went in the back, and came out with a Macallan 12, on the house. He said that he felt their price for the Glenlivet was unfair, and he hoped that the Macallan would make up for it. Needless to say, I had a great time.

    After they closed the castle down for the afternoon, my wife, my godbrother and I went down to Hollywood Boulevard. My wife and my godbrother had a great time watching people stare and/or flirt with me. It's true... Ladies love the kilt. Apparently, so do some gentlemen. I had some androgenous-looking goth kid jump up from his table, run over to us, tell me how much he loved my outfit, and ask if I would take a picture with him. I obliged.

    Through the course of the day I got all the generic questions, and I gave many politely generic answers. All in all, I was amazed at how positively people responded to my outfit.

    I didn't take any pictures as the Magic Castle frowns on photography, as they are a private, exclusive club, but my friends from church got permission to take pictures, so I will post pics as soon as I can get copies from them.

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