Jabot Styles?

[Bugbear]

McMurdo's and Phil's jabots reach to the top of the stomach. Mine, which I requested to be made shorter, only reaches halfway down my chest. Theirs may be more traditional, but I personally wanted a shorter one.

Thanks, that gives me a pretty good idea. I wasn't sure of the small details.

Not that I have anything against bow ties, but there's something appealing about the jabot.

[sydnie7]

Yes, the length and fullness is very much a matter of personal taste. Mary made a custom version for a lady who is confined to a wheelchair, and that jabot was about 18 inches in length -- more like a ruffle along the entire front of a blouse -- again, by specific request. Gentlemen of substance often seem to prefer a longer, fuller jabot as well.

[Bugbear]

Yes, the length and fullness is very much a matter of personal taste. Mary made a custom version for a lady who is confined to a wheelchair, and that jabot was about 18 inches in length -- more like a ruffle along the entire front of a blouse -- again, by specific request. Gentlemen of substance often seem to prefer a longer, fuller jabot as well.

The regulation lace style sounds good then.

The next thing is tracking down the buttons for the jacket, I'll probably go with pewter, and I found a bear paw button that would work well for the closure button. It's the little quartar inch buttons for the cuffs, epauletts, and pockets that are difficult to find...

[Phil]

McMurdo's and Phil's jabots reach to the top of the stomach. Mine, which I requested to be made shorter, only reaches halfway down my chest. Theirs may be more traditional, but I personally wanted a shorter one.

I find that the length is dictated by the jacket style. Here is the same jabot worn with a Montrose/Kenmore style doublet and you can see the raised collar makes it look shorter than the earlier Military/Montrose doublet (sorry about the names but everybody has different ones for the same jackets) -

[Bugbear]

This would be with an argyle and five button waistcoat, so... The collar is flat or laid down. I guess the doublets are cut higher at the bottom than an argyle, and that might be a factor in all of this, too.

I get confused by the doublet names, and forget how to spell them.

[Phil]

This would be with an argyle and five button waistcoat, so... The collar is flat or laid down. I guess the doublets are cut higher at the bottom than an argyle, and that might be a factor in all of this, too.

I get confused by the doublet names, and forget how to spell them.

I don't have a photo wearing a jabot with an Argyle/Argyll (I don't know which spelling is right either) but here is one with a 6-button waistcoat and a Sheriffmuir which isn't too far away from an Argyle.


or courtesy of Photoshop - with an Argyle

[JSFMACLJR]

Phil didn't have a photo of the jabot worn with an Argyll jacket, but my evening doublet is close enough, showing that jabots can be worn with open jackets:

[sydnie7]

This would be with an argyle and five button waistcoat, so... The collar is flat or laid down. I guess the doublets are cut higher at the bottom than an argyle, and that might be a factor in all of this, too.

I get confused by the doublet names, and forget how to spell them.

Ted, I think the perceived difference in jabot length from jacket to jacket is mostly based on the collar style. The stand-up collar on a doublet means the jabot must go up and over the collar before laying down along the front of chest -- so the jabot doesn't reach as far down. With a flat-collared, suit jacket (PC and the like), the jabot can hang down flat for its full length.

The bottom cut of the jacket may also have an effect on perceived length of jabot, but IMHO the collar cut has a much greater effect.

I hope this help clarify the effect shown in photos in this thread.

[Bugbear]

Thanks to all. The Sheriffmuir doublet was what I was trying to remember.

That makes sense about the jabot extending further with an open front jacket.