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[Erisianmonkey]

Hey, if anyone wants to join me, I'll be rolling a new alt on Ravenholdt (RPPVP). Horde side. Other details unknown as of yet. Buddy of mine just rolled an undead rogue and I think I'll join him...

Yeah, sounds good. I'll roll something up tomorrow. Probably a Belf Lock. Though, a druid cow might be fun too. I'll decide tomorrow. It's late and I'm tired.

Edit to add:
Just to show how tired I am, I just started wondering as I posted this if we had enough people to roll up a whole bunch of level 1 humans and go raid Hogger naked. It's a little something I had the misfortune to witness while leveling in Elwynn Forest one day

[CDNSushi]

Lol.... Well, I still get a kick out of the whole Running of the Bulls event a few years back when like a 100+ ppl all rolled up lvl 1 tauren and ran up to the top of ... jeez where was.. UBRS maybe? Anyway, you can look it up on Youtube...

[Dixiecat]

Ravenholdt, eh?

How about a BE pally? Or a troll priest? I'll check for you all tonight. Look for Evilchick or Tartantoed.

the guy who was supposed to be doing the healing was trying to be a damage dealer himself.

Speaking as an experienced raid healing holy priest, I know that I'll throw up Devouring Plague, SW:P and Vampiric Touch for some extra heals for myself and the raid. Every little bit helps. DP and SW:P are damage dealing spells. And, to get mana, the little Shadow Fiend gets popped and his damage is recorded as mine. So you see, it LOOKS like I'm doing damage, but in reality I'm just playing my toon as if I actually know how to play. If your healer happened to be a disc priest, then the PW:S actually reflects damage back instead of absorbing it, which gets recorded as the priests damage too.

As a lock who is in a position to sit back and help keep aggro off the healer when the tank screws up

This is a two-edged sword. As a lock, you can take the aggro, but as a clothie, you're dead if you do. And, as a lock you know you're the last person I would worry about in a fight. I might throw you a renew now and then so you can life-tap safely, but a raid healer is only there to heal through damage that the boss puts up, idiots who take aggro and then don't do something about it shouldn't expect to live and shouldn't blame the healer if they don't.

Anyway, I personally think that everyone should roll a healer at one point so that they can understand the real mechanics of the game. I rolled my rogue after playing a mage for 6 months and a healer for almost 2 and I'm forever teaching people about aggro. Lots of newbies on my server.

[Erisianmonkey]

Ravenholdt, eh?

How about a BE pally? Or a troll priest? I'll check for you all tonight. Look for Evilchick or Tartantoed.

I'll look for you. I'm still not sure what I'm rolling yet, or what to call it when I do.

Speaking as an experienced raid healing holy priest, I know that I'll throw up Devouring Plague, SW:P and Vampiric Touch for some extra heals for myself and the raid. Every little bit helps. DP and SW:P are damage dealing spells. And, to get mana, the little Shadow Fiend gets popped and his damage is recorded as mine. So you see, it LOOKS like I'm doing damage, but in reality I'm just playing my toon as if I actually know how to play. If your healer happened to be a disc priest, then the PW:S actually reflects damage back instead of absorbing it, which gets recorded as the priests damage too.

Yeah, I can see that. It was a pally. I know that holy shock can cause damage, and that a pally has abilities that can suck up aggro so they can offtank, but there is no reason for a Healadin to be at #5 on the damage chart in a 10-man. (Especially when recount showed less than 400 points of total healing done. I've stood on a pally who healed through Loken, I know that he could have done better.)

This is a two-edged sword. As a lock, you can take the aggro, but as a clothie, you're dead if you do. And, as a lock you know you're the last person I would worry about in a fight. I might throw you a renew now and then so you can life-tap safely, but a raid healer is only there to heal through damage that the boss puts up, idiots who take aggro and then don't do something about it shouldn't expect to live and shouldn't blame the healer if they don't.

And quite right too. I can use a pot or DL if need be. But there are quite a few bosses that send out massive AoE attacks that hit *everyone* in the party, and a good healer knows to expect that and throw out some heals for anyone caught in those. Casters have to stay in one place to do their damage dealing, and while we try to get out of the AoE, sometimes getting that Immolate up just has to be done, then we can conflag and get the hell out of there. If that's the case I'm prepared to drain life if the pots are on cd.

I guess I'm just spoiled from spending most of my time running with one of the best Resto Druids to play the game. She got sick of playing resto though. (over a year on the same spec, healing everything from old world stuff to that VoA that I keep coming back to that disgusted her so bad she immediately afterward went and respecced feral so the idiot raid leader would quit bugging her to come heal for her.) and is now pally healing and can still heal with the best of them.

As far as taking aggro goes, I never hit full aggro on a boss. If I take aggro on an add, I pop soulshatter and send the pet after them. The pet's DPS is disposable, mine isn't. (A lot less repairs for a dead pet rather than a dead lock too. :P)

The fact remains though, if the healer is in danger of dropping and the tank and melee dps aren't prepared to kite them back, I'm the healer's last line of defense. That is why I stick close to them. If it's a pally or druid, they can usually handle themselves. If it's a shammy, I don't know, haven't played with many. But because I gear for stamina and have that neat little soulshatter/pet trick, and the choice of one DPS vs heals for the party, it's a no-brainer, I take one for the team. (TBH though, unless the priest is really low on their own health I'll just clobber the hell out of what's attacking them with low threat spells. Searing pain has absolutely no place on my toolbar.)

Anyway, I personally think that everyone should roll a healer at one point so that they can understand the real mechanics of the game. I rolled my rogue after playing a mage for 6 months and a healer for almost 2 and I'm forever teaching people about aggro. Lots of newbies on my server.

I totally agree. I rolled my pally as a Healadin. I switched to ret for leveling, but I just bought a dual spec. I'm also getting ready to level my priest in a few months. Again, holy.

You seem to be ticked off that I called it healer fail. It was. we had three healers, and the only one who did more than 1k total healing before I got bumped was the resto druid who the raid leader insisted heal her. The other two healers did less than 1k healing total, combined. That is fail. Indeed, that is epic fail. Koralon tosses fire all over the bloody place, and getting out of it is hard. Especially for a caster. The raid healer should have done some bloody healing rather than run in and try and melee. When you are assigned raid heals rather than tank heals, you still heal right? You don't throw your Shadow priest DPS hat on and try and climb up the dps chart, do you? That is what the raid healer and the offtank healer did in this raid. That is my point. That is what I call healer fail. I wish I had taken a screenshot of the recount windows. I should have known people would have trouble believing that these folks were that dumb.

[Hillwalker]

Okay, I am exposing my secret now. I have several toons on the Misa sever. I mostly play a level 80 Restoration Shaman named Sluttyspice and a level 74 Holy Pally named Hillwalker. I am in the Dead By Day guild. However, our guild is just plain dead now. I think there is only about four or five people left in the guild total. We should change our guild name to Dead All Day And Night. I am just a casual player, typically on a few times a week mostly at night. The spice thing started out as a guild joke; however, I think I was the only one to actually keep my toon. I believe that the rest just deleted theirs because I never see any of them on. There, I’m out now. LOL!

[Dixiecat]

You seem to be ticked off that I called it healer fail.

Not at all. In your first post you didn't give enough information about how the healers failed except the 'reroll' qq. I've run into a lot of healer fail talks and you'd be surprised how little it is the healer's fault. However, your last explanation was very good and showed how much fail it was.

I run into just as many newbie healers on my server as I do dps. And one of the harder things for a healer to learn is when NOT to heal. As in, don't heal the tank until he's got enough aggro.....

I remember once getting kicked from a group because the tank was a total ***. Runs off while I'm drinking and starts the fight, I have to get up and run to heal him and as I start casting he goes around a corner breaking LOS and by the time I get LOS and start casting again, it's a wipe and all my fault. Ya, it's my fault he can't look at mana bars or understand LOS issues, sigh.

[Erisianmonkey]

Okay, I am exposing my secret now. I have several toons on the Misa sever. I mostly play a level 80 Restoration Shaman named Sluttyspice and a level 74 Holy Pally named Hillwalker. I am in the Dead By Day guild. However, our guild is just plain dead now. I think there is only about four or five people left in the guild total. We should change our guild name to Dead All Day And Night. I am just a casual player, typically on a few times a week mostly at night. The spice thing started out as a guild joke; however, I think I was the only one to actually keep my toon. I believe that the rest just deleted theirs because I never see any of them on. There, I’m out now. LOL!

WoW should not be considered a shameful secret. It's simply a fun hobby like many others. Obsession with any hobby can be a bad thing.

Not at all. In your first post you didn't give enough information about how the healers failed except the 'reroll' qq. I've run into a lot of healer fail talks and you'd be surprised how little it is the healer's fault. However, your last explanation was very good and showed how much fail it was.

I run into just as many newbie healers on my server as I do dps. And one of the harder things for a healer to learn is when NOT to heal. As in, don't heal the tank until he's got enough aggro.....

I remember once getting kicked from a group because the tank was a total ***. Runs off while I'm drinking and starts the fight, I have to get up and run to heal him and as I start casting he goes around a corner breaking LOS and by the time I get LOS and start casting again, it's a wipe and all my fault. Ya, it's my fault he can't look at mana bars or understand LOS issues, sigh.

LOL, Yeah, there are a lot more bad tanks than bad healers. We had one last night that not only couldn't hold aggro, he wouldn't let the boomkin mana up before running off and starting the next fight. We did fine in VH and AN. But we ended up wiping in Old Kingdom of all places. The three of us that run together quite a bit ended up leaving and working on our alts. I had quite the repair bill after that. Shoot, the idiot wouldn't even give me time to drop a soulwell or wait while I stoned the healer.

All that said, I did end up rolling a toon on Ravenholdt since that seems to be the consensus of where we want to meet. I rolled a Tauren druid and named him Kiltedchao. I'll be on it a bit tonight, but not that much since I haven't done my heroics on my main yet. While I got a great wand drop last night in AN, I've only got three more heroic dailies to get the brimstone igniter. I am chomping at the bit for that wand, as it's one of the best in the game.

[CDNSushi]

Rolled a BElf lock on Ravenholdt. Her name is Exsequaesta.

Cheers,

Jim

[Dixiecat]

While I got a great wand drop last night in AN

Damn. You don't know how many times I ran heroic OK and AN to get either wands. As a healer I wanted the one from OK but, I did them both for dual spec. I still haven't gotten the healer wand.....

Rolled a troll priest and soon remembered how sucky it was lvling a priest so I rerolled a BE pally named Tartanterror. On Ravenholdt of course. Talked briefly to Erisian and tried to convince him to travel to the belf starting area. It's a good place to start. He had a good idea to start a guild called: Xmarks The Guild.

Have a look at the lvling guides Jame's Horde Leveling Guide for some real good advice.

[Tattoo Bradley]

I have the Shammy (Orc) on that server. I rolled him 3 months ago and have not even 1 bubble of xp lol. Shampowpow if you guys wanna add me on the buddy list. I wasn't on last night as there was a minor disaster at work. But, I'll be on tonight some. I'll pop in and see if you guys are around. And dixie, I'm down to travel to Belf starting area to lvl. I reckon I'd need someone to give me a lift over there or it would be death on a stick travelling.