Jacket types

[OC Richard]

Well Locharron can call them that but not everyone does.

I just went on a House of Edgar site and they have:

"Argyll" a black jacket with plain cuffs.

"Crail" a charcoal grey jacket with Prince Charlie cuffs.

Not on the site, but I used to work at a Highland outfitter which carried House of Edgar jackets and they referred to the black jacket with gauntlet cuffs as their "Braemar" jacket.

[fluter]

I just went on a House of Edgar site and they have:
"Argyll" a black jacket with plain cuffs.

What fun, I had never noticed that!

"Crail" a charcoal grey jacket with Prince Charlie cuffs.

Best of all, if you examine the tag in the inside breast pocket of that "Crail" which we would generally call a "Braemar" you will find that it's identified as "ARG"

It's a very nice jacket, by any name.

[sfb]

And I got a jacket from Slanj last week (in a dark charcoal) that has the "Braemar" style from that graphic on the cuff & pockets...but no epaulettes.

The receipt said it was a "Crail".

I'm not fussed what it's supposed to be called though, because it was exactly what I was after.

[MacLowlife]

Thanks, Deil's Chiel, but the cuff to which I object ( on tweed jackets) is the OTHER fancy cuff-The BRAEMAR, per the handy chart (AKA PRINCE CHARLIE) - the one still seen on military tunics which looks like a scalloped flap running halfway up the arm. I believe it is where rank is shown ( via pips?). The "bucket cuff" ( AKA ARGYLE, AKA GAUNTLET) shown in your pictures, while it is certainly fancy, is not the one that strikes me as inconsistent with tweed.

Thanks for the photos. A little further reading over at the Wikipedia shows that the cuff-rank insignia used during WWI for Scottish regiments worked with a bucket style cuff, while the English used the flap style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._rank_insignia

I am the first to admit that my opinion is nothing more than that. Ted Crocker has observed elsewhere that opinions run strong on lapel shapes over in the Saxon formal wear world. Just as those people are not able to enforce their tastes beyond their own closets, neither am I. But I would add to my original complaint of military formality grafted onto an informal jacket, my new complaint that it is ENGLISH military formality.

What is they say in France? Chock one at your son's gut?

[Bugbear]

Ya, The Deil's Chiel, I really don't know anything about it other than what I read here on the forum.

As far as the tuxedo folk, I am put off black tie attire (non-Highland) after reading comments I came across in several web searches. I don't need to be treated poorly, or ordered to fill someone's water glass because I am wearing a tuxedo with knotched lapels...

[Bugbear]

I wonder what shawl-collar lapels signify? Jazz musician?

Actually, those are fine. It's the tuxedo shirt with the frilly, ruffeled front that apparently signifies jazz musician status.

[csbdr]

Actually, those are fine. It's the tuxedo shirt with the frilly, ruffeled front that apparently signifies jazz musician status.

No, no no....those ruffled shirts mean "lounge piano player" !

[fluter]

No, no no....those ruffled shirts mean "lounge piano player" !

1970's high-school prom! Fortunately that trend was after my time.

The shawl collar tux says "auld fogie, very set in his ways" When I replaced my tux a few years back, I went out of my way to get a shawl collar. The shape was not perfect, but at least it was a shawl collar... I still like the skinny lapels we had when I were lad.

[HarborSpringsPiper]

Totally OT, but I ran across this reference about white dinner jackets the other day and had to chuckle when I read your reference.

And if a man is particularly serious about formal convention, a white jacket should never be worn in the city “unless one has a napkin over his arm or a saxophone up to his lips” in the words of Esquire magazine.

[HarborSpringsPiper]

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