The Monarchy and the kilt

[Mike_Oettle]

Bob’s Your Uncle wrote: “It was when the Lowland and English legal systems came to prevail in Scotland that male inheritance became the way property was transferred from one generation to another.”

I understand that King Malcolm III Canmore had most to do with this shift.
He fought a bloody war that devastated Buchan in order to ensure that he would be succeeded by his sons, and in the end six or seven of them actually sat on the throne in succession.
Regards,
Mike

[JSFMACLJR]

Ah, OK. So matrilineal Scottishness really is acceptable by most Scots? I thought it was generally accepted in Scotland that only the father's lines mattered.

Well, Prince William of Wales is the son of the Duke of Rothesay. His paternal grandmother is Queen of Scotland; his paternal great-grandfather was King of Scotland, as was his g-g grandfather etc. etc. A rather "Scottish" paternal line, I would say.

[Stratherrick]

The Queen, Elizabeth the Second (First of Scotland), "descends" from a Scottish royal line that inherited the English throne on the death of Elizabeth the First (of England).

In that sense, the English nation was taken over by the Scots. If the Scot's queen chooses to allow her English-born subjects of Scots descent to wear a kilt, then so be it.

Don't dig in too deep here, folks, as discussing royalty at length, or in all but the simplest terms, is on the no-no list of the forum.

Slainte

Bruce

[Mike_Oettle]

Yes, Bruce, we shouldn’t go too deeply into this topic. But I must say that I decline to refer to Her Majesty as Elizabeth II because she is only the Second of England (even though her title is “of Great Britain and Northern Ireland et cetera”).
Regards,
Mike

[Stratherrick]

Mike

I agree re the Queen's title, though common usage means that her, near, 60 year reign has her marked down as QE2. No doubt her Diamond Jubilee celebrations, which are on the horizon, will bring a few kilties out on the streets!

If it keeps the English happy, so be it. They never have quite understood that they came under Scottish rule all those years ago!

At least Victoria boosted the interest in all things tartan, even though kilts are an ever developing item of attire, whatever "traditionalists" like me say!

Slainte

Bruce

[McClef]

Just for information:

The convention of numbering was established some time ago at the Queen's accession and it states that whichever regnal number is the highest either from England or Scotland shall be the one that is used.

Separate regnal numbers were last used before the Union.

[Stratherrick]

And, folks, although this thread has stayed nicely on course, DO NOT be tempted to pass comment on the Union. It's suuuuuch a dangerous place to go...

Interesting point re regnal numbers, though, McClef.

Back to kilting, I do recall being asked by a tourist to strike a pose "a la Prince Charles at Balmoral" one time, whatever that meant! If I had a long walking stick and a bodyguard in the undergrowth I might have obliged better than just looking distantly across the loch I was stood next to!

Slainte

Bruce

[Pleater]

But there was never any doubt that James VI of Scotland would be King of England when Queen Elizabeth died without issue.

James IV of Scotland married the eldest daughter of Henry VII, Margaret Tudor, and when the Tudor line in England failed James VI of Scotland became King James of Engand, one monarch, two crowns.

Having already produced male heirs, the eldest could be made Prince of Wales, King James was reportedly greeted with enthusiasm and some relief.

I don't think there is any mileage to be got from the fact that James VI, King of Scots was the heir to the English throne and was treated as such.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[Kilted Rogue]

name in the registers even after marriage--accordingly, I , and others, have had great success in tracing female lines of descent in the Old Parish Registers, now available online at Scotlandspeople.org.

Just wanted to fix your link www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk


Correct me if i have the wrong page

[BobsYourUncle]

Just wanted to fix your link www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk


Correct me if i have the wrong page

Yes, that's it! Thanks!