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29th April 11, 06:34 PM
#21
I was thinking of Clarence standing alone in its own right when I referred to William IV's title before he inherited the throne MOR.
Albert Victor was "double barreled" so to speak as he was Clarence and Avondale.
You raise an interesting point about the use of Scottish titles in Scotland. Apart from Rothesay (and Edinburgh of course) I am not aware that Prince Andrew, for example, is anything but Duke of York rather than Earl of Inverness when in Scotland.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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29th April 11, 07:47 PM
#22
 Originally Posted by Spartan Tartan
So, from all this I can assume that if I ever (read Never) get to meet the new Princess, I should refrain from calling her "sweatheart" or something similar 
Y'all jus' call 'er 'hun'. She's from reg'lar folk, y'know. 
I'd imagine that away from the cameras and hoi polloi they (the royal family) dispense with the formality with each other, for the most part. I'd love to be privy to a regular 'day in the life' and see and hear what goes on and watch the interaction of the royals with their personal staff. I'm sure that even the documentary 'day in the life' programs don't catch the truly candid moments. They need to maintain some sense of privacy.
John
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29th April 11, 09:46 PM
#23
 Originally Posted by EagleJCS
Y'all jus' call 'er 'hun'. She's from reg'lar folk, y'know.
I'd imagine that away from the cameras and hoi polloi they (the royal family) dispense with the formality with each other, for the most part. I'd love to be privy to a regular 'day in the life' and see and hear what goes on and watch the interaction of the royals with their personal staff. I'm sure that even the documentary 'day in the life' programs don't catch the truly candid moments. They need to maintain some sense of privacy.
Well, there was one I remember a long time ago that had Prince Phillip swearing! He was trying to do something like prune a bush, I think. May have got tangled up in thorns or something like that. Yes, I know they have gardeners for that sort of thing. I don't think you could really make out what he was actually saying, though. Sounded like swearing, anyway. Could have been in Greek, perhaps. Apparently he is known for cussing quite a bit, though, so it probably was just what it seemed.
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29th April 11, 10:00 PM
#24
 Originally Posted by paulhenry
My emboldening
It's not entirely obsolete, it's unusual perahps but I still know of many wives who are known as Mrs - husbands name,My mother generally prefers to be known in that fashion, although she is in her late seventies.
No one laughs at that form of address, and hardly social death either
My family would find it downright quaint, and they would laugh at it. It's sexist as well.
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29th April 11, 11:56 PM
#25
I had the privilege of meeting Her Majesty and family during a tour with the Royal Guard at Balmoral, even so far as the Duke of Edinburgh calculating the length of cable I would require for a Field Telephone I was laying.
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30th April 11, 05:43 AM
#26
 Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
My family would find it downright quaint, and they would laugh at it. It's sexist as well.
Hrmmm, what's sexist is the title "Mistress" itself, not so much its particular application. (he pontificated, pedantically )
In this country the usage "Mrs. Husband Surname" is correct, but almost extinct through simple ignorance. If in doubt, or if the lady does not choose to change her name, there is "Ms."---which in my part of the world, is generally pronounced the same as "Mrs." I.e. "mizz."
Regionally: Susan Jones, the wife of James Jones, is more frequently called "Miss Susan" than "Mrs. James Jones."
Ken Sallenger - apprentice kiltmaker, journeyman curmudgeon,
gainfully unemployed systems programmer
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30th April 11, 07:36 AM
#27
Hit the nail on the head...
 Originally Posted by fluter
In this country the usage "Mrs. Husband Surname" is correct, but almost extinct through simple ignorance.
There ya go...ignorance and lack of upbringing!
In fairness, I don't believe I've ever heard a lady referred to in spoken word by her husband's name. It is still considered proper (and commonly improperly done) to address invitations to weddings, balls, etc to Mr. and Mrs. (or Title/Rank and Mrs.) His Name....even in the US.
For example, when I receive an invitation to a Military Ball, it should be addressed to: Major and Mrs. Jeffrey Bavis. I've noticed, as of late, that invitations are not even sent out anymore (which is a shame). Apparently a powerpoint slide advertisement posting the date, time, and cost is considered an acceptable alternative these days....grrrrrr!!!!
What's my point? I think it's great to maintain etiquette, history, and tradition. Loss of respect is not considered progress in my book.
"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." -- Thomas Paine
Scottish-American Military Society Post 1921
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30th April 11, 07:48 AM
#28
It is the queen that decides on the title and she chose to give William the title of Duke so his wife is Catherine Duchess of Cambridge. Had she been given the title Princess she would have been Princess William NOT Princess Catherine. Diana was Princess of Wales
see this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...im-a-duke.html
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30th April 11, 08:08 AM
#29
The Earl of White Chapel? I rather doubt it, but...
 Originally Posted by McClef
I was thinking of Clarence standing alone in its own right when I referred to William IV's title before he inherited the throne MOR.
Albert Victor was "double barreled" so to speak as he was Clarence and Avondale.
As I recall William IV was actually Clarence and St. Andrews...
I rather think that the "aura" surrounding the last Duke of Clarence (and Avondale, ) would have mitigated against a current revival of that title.
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30th April 11, 09:59 AM
#30
And here's the way they travelled from "Buck House" home
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ng-drive.html#
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