Need help identifying kilt maker

[M. A. C. Newsome]

I think what BCAC is trying to say is that on this forum (and it is a term which was coined on this forum) "Tank" is used to describe a heavy weight wool 8 yard kilt. He is simply correcting your use of the term.

I don't think that warrants playing the "Kilt Police" card any more than when I correct people who call garter flashes "flashers" (which means a whole 'nother thing when you are wearing the kilt!).

[Thomas H]

10-4 I stand corrected -Sorry

[BCAC]

Matt is right (as usual).

Here's the quote from the FAQ section:

A 'TANK' is defined as an eight-yard, wool, hand-sewn, traditional kilt. ie., "It's built like a tank." (coined by Jimmy Carbomb c.2005)

[Thomas H]

OK ,Really ?

[DireStraitsFan]

To those of you who helped me I.D. the kilt maker, thank you. I appreciate the neutral assistance.

For those of you who offered only criticism, while I respect your right to express your opinion in an open forum, I also respectfully disagree with your methods. Some of you effectively called a garment that I choose to wear a piece of garbage. I thought the practice here at this forum was one of respect first. Yet, in the absence of offering anything to the subject of the thread itself, some of you have taken the opportunity to trash a kilt that I get a lot of enjoyment from wearing. Offering constructive criticism is one thing (please see any of Mr. Matthew Newsome's posts for examples of this), but getting hammered (unprovoked) over my choices of clothing makes me reconsider my participation here, limited and tentative such as it already is.

If you are lucky enough to be able to afford to spend $500-800 on a single garment, I offer you my envy. I am a full time student. I work part time, and don't have the luxury of being able to afford an authentic, hand made, wool kilt. To be honest, until a discovery made this week, I was unaware that I had a family tartan to wear. When funds are such that I can afford to have a wool kilt made in this tartan, I can assure you that I will waste no time ordering one. Until that day, my cheapo kilts will have to suffice. And even then, I'll wear the cheap kilts to hike and bum around in.
If that makes me laughable here on this forum, then I've a search for a new community of kilt wearers ahead of me.

Thank you for your time.

[Ancienne Alliance]

Sorry if I've offended you. Really I was light years from intending to do so.

Please notice that I didn't insult your choice, because, as you are explaining it, you didn't have the choice due to your financial situation.
I just wanted to make it clear for you and the sake of everybody else on this forum, that these kilts are dangerous and the labelling is a scandal if not a hoax.

“Bum around in a kilt ?” OK. Fair enough... I see that we simply do not have the same approach to the kilt, and from now on I'll let you live your kilted life as you intend to.

The thing is though, you can't be to thin skinned when you use the term “tank” to describe these kilts and ask who is the kilt maker. You have to take responsibility for your posts and the answers you'll get.


Best,

Robert

[DireStraitsFan]

Sorry if I've offended you. Really I was light years from intending to do so.

Please notice that I didn't insult your choice, because, as you are explaining it, you didn't have the choice due to your financial situation.
I just wanted to make it clear for you and the sake of everybody else on this forum, that these kilts are dangerous and the labelling a scandal if not a hoax.

“Bum around in a kilt ?” OK. Fair enough... I see that we simply do not have the same approach to the kilt, and from now on I'll let you live your kilted life as you intend to.

The thing is though, you can't be to thin skinned when you use the term “tank” to describe these kilts and ask who is the kilt maker. You have to take responsibility for your posts and the answers you'll get.


Best,

Robert

Perhaps you should re-read my first and last post again, sir. I never referred to the pictured kilt as a "tank". Excepting the fact that I think it's a stupid name, I do know the difference. I may not be a regular poster, but I've been around long enough to know the basics. And I HAVE taken responsibility for my post. I pointed out that I respect one's right to criticize in an open forum, but also respectfully disagree.

If I'm thinned skinned, okay. As I said, perhaps I've learned a valuable lesson today. I thought this was a place where people with a common interest could share that common interest without harsh judgment. Thanks for clearing that misunderstanding up for me.

[Thomas H]

OK, I called my Kilt a Tank and now I know it is not a Tank.
I am very sorry for this thread getting out of control.
If I had a hand in upsetting or causeing someone esle to get upset I am sorry.
Can we just please END this thread before we lose a Friend and fellow
Kilt wearer. Please lets stop this .

[chrisupyonder]

http://www.heritageofscotland.com/Ca...34,product.php

I bought one 2 weeks ago and just got another in Black Watch while the discount offer is on. Both need turning up 2 inches so not worn them yet. Seem ok for a knockabout kilt so can keep my £300 tank for special occasions.

Chris.

Sorry about quoting myself but I thought you may be interested in this.

I received my second kilt, a black watch 8yd poly from above and I am not at all happy with it. I will be returning it to H of S. The first one was MacLeod of Harris Ancient, is ok for the price. The material is fairly stiff and holds the pleats well. The second one I only opened on Wednesday and it is just not the same material. It is very soft and limp, creases very easiley and after pressing looks no better. I can almost form a crease in a fold with my hand. The material looks more suitable as cushion material. It is unwearable and I am sending this back and will try another tartan. If no better I will ask for my money back.
I cannot understand how 2 kilts advertised as the same material can be so different.

I have now learned my lesson the hard way. A wool kilt is much, much better. I wore my 16oz 8yd Lochcarron Strome hand made to measure tank almost every day on my recent 6 week tour of Scotland including driving every day and it never needed pressing and the pleats are still crisp. If it did get creased in the car, they quickly dissapeared once I was stood up or hung it up overnight. I paid £280 for this tank and it is much easier to wear and fits perfectly.

At over £100 including shipping for these 2 Poly-whatever kilts which still need turning up 2 inches, I am now sorry I bothered as £100 is a good chunk towards another wool tank. I will never buy another poly and am now saving for another tank from my local kilt shop in Thurso. As far as wearing a tank on a daily basis, no problem, it will probably last years.

Just thought I would let you all know.

Chris.

[The Wizard of BC]

This forum started up just as the world was being introduced to all sorts of new ideas about how to make a kilt and how to market them.
Since our beginnings we have been faced with the cunudrum of how to treat these newer types and styles of kilt.

There is one thing that this forum is very good at. That is the passing on of information. Sometimes that information can be seen as positive and sometimes negative.

We have been trying to inform each other for years that just because a kilt is advertised as, for example - "Heavy weight P/V" that the truth may be something different.
We have been telling people for years that there is only one reputable weaving mill producing kilt-worthy true P/V. That the correct meaning of P/V is - fabric made of a blend of Polyester and Rayon. That the one weaving mill produces only one weight and it is 12oz per linear yard.

I don't think anyone here honestly thinks that getting people into kilts is a bad thing. I do think that the majority will agree that the marketing used to sell some kilts can be misleading to the uninformed.

That is what makes this forum so important. Why we all need to pass along the word that this forum is here, is available to anyone who wishes to wear a kilt, and is full of honest and factual information.

It is this forum that has been informing people that the labels as shown in the opening post of this thread are the ones used by the myrid of kiltmakers based in Sailkot, Pakistan. (at my last count over 150 of them) That the majority of these kilt are woven of an Acrylic fiber. That these kilts are different from a 'Tank'. Not necessarily better or worse, but different.

It should not matter that one of our members buys one of these kilts. It should not matter, as long as they are informed and know what they are buying.
What does matter is that too often the uninformed buy these because the do not know from the labels or the sales pitch what they are really getting for their hard earned dollar.

We really need to stop fighting among ourselves and do what we do best. Pass on honest and factual information in a respectful and friendly way.

We need to recognize that some of our members want and would like a kilt that costs less than $100.00 so they can go to the pub and not need to worry if it gets a beer spilled on it, or while mowing the lawn on a really hot sticky day. We need to accept that the less expensive alternative to a Tank is a viable garment for many of our members, their intended use, their lifestyle and budget.

As long as they are informed! As long as they know what they are buying and are happy with their kilt. That really is the only thing that is important.

The OP of this thread asked a valid question. The label in his kilt did not state the manufacturer. He liked the kilt and wanted to know where he could get another one. We should have given him the information.