A Christian-Themed Tartan?

[Detroitpete]

Guys, this thread keeps popping up over and over. If you want a Christian Tartan, somebody design one and you all can bung in to have it woven at Dalgliesh and get your kilts made. Stop trying to re-purpose some other tartan and just do it. I'm amazed that the HP Lovecraft crowd can get that Cthulu tartan done up and they're all showing photos of the finished kilts already and you lot are still kickin' the tires and going on about this.

How shall we say this...eliminate or remove yourself from the porcelain facility...eh?

Best

AA

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[mookien]

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I see no harm in bandying about these subjects (Christian-themed tartans, liturgical colors, etc.) indefinitely. Like any other thread, individuals may choose to participate (even lurk), or not.

I do agree that the sooner some subset of us arrange the design and weaving of a Christian-themed tartan, the better. But, whether that ever happens, or not, it is still fun (interesting) to discuss.

[mookien]

Hi, John (Mookien) – Ina did mention briefly that the Christmas tartan was Christian-themed, but we did not discuss this in depth. I plan to get in touch with her now that the registration is official and discuss it in more detail.
She is, of course, also the designer of the Mighty Men tartan (in which my first kilt, now sent back to the maker for repairs, was made), so she clearly does not regard the Christmas tartan as representing Christianity as a whole, in all seasons.
In fact she has a plan on the back burner for a tartan for Christian women, distinct from Mighty Men.
Regards,
Mike

Mike: Thanks for pointing me to the Mighty Men tartan. I have not seen it before, and I like both the idea and the design. It's a little bold for me, though. If I wore a kilt in it, I might find myself having to turn the other cheek, so to speak.

A former (American) football coach at the University of Colorado, Bill McCartney, founded an organization (likely) similar to Mighty Men called Promise Keepers.

I think it would be a mistake to claim that any tartan represented Christianity as a whole, but I'll be looking forward to Ina's tartan for Christian women. I might buy a few yards for my wife!

John

[Mike_Oettle]

John, unfortunately your wife may have to wait a while. Ina found, having decided to work on a design, that a lot of women were buying items in Mighty Men, and so decided to wait a while before doing anything further about her Christian women tartan.
Mighty Men is admittedly rather bright, but it has always given me an opportunity to tell a gospel story in explaining the meaning of its colours.
I like it best when I wear not only the MM kilt but also my waistcoat in the same tartan. It certainly catches the eye.

Peter, I am curious about your remarks concerning the restriction on the Christmas tartan. I have seen many other tartans with similar restrictions. The one that comes to mind is Saltire.
Ina may not always be familiar with established usage, but I can understand her desire to ensure that she is not upstaged (and outmarketed) by someone who weaves her design somewhere else.
She does not own a mill, but she has had quite a few different tartans woven for her in Cape Town.
Regards,
Mike

[Ina Murison-McGowan]

Thanks Mookien for your comments.

AFS 1970: I have posted a new thread just a few hours ago here on X about the Christmas Tartan but here are a few facts which was not published on the STR and only because the explanation is lengthy and their space limited:

GREEN: The colour Green is representative of Frankincense. Frankincense is made by cutting a tree named “Arbor Thurisfrom”. Practically Frankincense would be a familiar smell to baby Jesus as this would help getting the stable smelling better with all those animals in there with them. Frankincense is used as a perfume but mostly it was burned as sweet incense during worship. Aaron would burn Frankincense at the altar as a sweet offering to the Lord. Symbolically Frankincense represented the divinity of Christ because as mentioned Frankincense was burnt as an offering to God.
The colour of the sap of this tree is believed to be green.

RED: The colour red represents Myrrh. Although Myrrh, like Frankincense, is also the sap from a tree that is hardened and then used, unlike Frankincense which is sweet, has a bitter taste to it. It was also used as a perfume, an ingredient of holy ointments but it’s most practical use for Mary & Joseph would be its medical uses. Myrrh represents the bitter cup that Christ had to drink in suffering for our sins spilling his blood for us and the healing that his death brings.
The sap of this tree goes dark red when dried.

I was not thinking of doing kilts in this tartan at all but it seems as if the men want it done so who am I to argue, lol. I have received orders from all over the world.
Watch this space for some Christmas Tartan Kilts!!!!!!
Ina

[figheadair]

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Peter, I am curious about your remarks concerning the restriction on the Christmas tartan. I have seen many other tartans with similar restrictions. The one that comes to mind is Saltire.
Ina may not always be familiar with established usage, but I can understand her desire to ensure that she is not upstaged (and outmarketed) by someone who weaves her design somewhere else.
She does not own a mill, but she has had quite a few different tartans woven for her in Cape Town.
Regards,
Mike

It's quite simple. There is no internationally enforceable law that I'm aware of the would prevent the production of the cloth. It's often claimed that such and such a design is 'protected'; Balmoral, Burberry etc but actually that's bluster. It's the selling of the cloth that can be controlled but enev that is difficult to enforce globally and would cost the earth to try and enforce.

[Ina Murison-McGowan]

McClef,
Sir,
Anyone can wear it though.
Our tartans are very affordable and for this one we decided to do it in Poly-Viscose so it can be used for table cloths, runners, etc.
I never intended this tartan to be used for kilts but as it is we are inundated with requests for the making of kilts.
Ina

[mookien]

Ina: Thank you for the explanation of the color scheme of the Christmas tartan. I really like that dark green overstripe on the red bands. Also, I did not know those interesting facts about Frankincense and Myrrh.

John

[Ina Murison-McGowan]

Mookien,
You are welcome. When you think of Christmas you always see RED and GREEN and therefor I was over the moon to find these "little" connections during my research about the sap of the Frankincense AND Myrrh trees.
Ina

[AFS1970]

I understood why Frankincense and myrrh, I had just never seen those colors associated with them, thanks for the explanation. Almost all of the incense I have seen in dried sap form has been yellow or orange. Since the colors I was told about in my youth for tartans turn out to be largely an urban myth, I realize there is a great deal of leeway here.

Now as for the main topic of this thread, I have to say that there are a number of posts here which border on reportable offenses. If you want such a tartan or want to work on creating such a tartan then by all means join in. However posting simply to tell people what a bad idea it is or to talk about denominational divisions from an outside perspective is in my opinion narrowly approaching the TOS.

Yes it is true that the Cthulhu tartan got done faster, but since tartan is very old, time in a project like this need not be measured in days. However I am sure that one thing that helped that other tartan along was that they were not besieged by naysayers who apparently have an axe to grind with an entire religion.