The cornish kilt

[JonathanB]

Thank you. That makes it clear.

[Roderick Powell]

O C Richard, thanks for showing pew carving in cornish church, exact garb not clear.I understand original cornish kilt was full 24ft wrap fastened with two clasps, roman style, not one clasp scottish style.
twin chanter shown on cornish pipes, mellower than Scottish bagpipes.
Found cornovi cornish kilts in cornwall. Informed me thay could make me black cornish kilt in top of range 8 yard 16 ounce , does not seem as thick as old highland regimental military kilt. Worth noting Cornovi cornish kilts are measured in cornwall and made in glasgow with cornovi label with cornish black and white flag. Perhaps our experts could comment.

My theory is that my ancestors were seamen by the name of Cook ,of Stuart Clan,if it is accepted as a true clan,and Poole records show Captain John Cook, son of a,or the, Captain James Cook drowned Poole Harbour, Dorset Southern England, at time of 1745 troubles.
Cooks may have worked grand banks from Poole Harbour. Millers were privateers shipwrecked in dorset.Perhaps I should be the first to wear a black Dorset kilt in memory of the loss of scottish mariners.Exactly the same as modern traditional style cornish or Scottish plain black kilt. Good reason for wearing kilt with traditional day warm day kilt jacket.

Roderick

[JonathanB]

I've just received my Cornovi kilt pin, after the design from the cross at Sancreed. I'm planning to wear it with my Cornish Hunting kilt, which I'm eagerly looking forward to wearing.

[OC Richard]

My theory is that my ancestors were seamen by the name of Cook, of Stuart Clan...

Roderick

Interesting! My last name is Cook, I'm a descendant of John Cooke who came to Virginia from England in 1762. According to family legend he was Scottish. Anyhow one of his sons married a Catherine Stewart, so I have Stewart ancestry dating back to the 18th century as well. My Cornish side were named Varcoe (a distinctive Cornish name) and Reed, and left Tywardreath in the 1870s when the mining business was declining.

Yes I'd love to have the money to do a run of that blue Cornish tartan I designed.

[Roderick Powell]

thanks , O .C Richard. I see you have uaes both sir names Cook and Cooke. I am wondering if the Final "e " is important and weather there is and significance in this. I feel this maybe difficult to answer as records may not have worried to much about the spelling.

Your ancestor may have been Captain John Cook drowned in Poole Harbour after returning to England.
Could have traided in the spoils of the Grand Banks Cod out of Nova Scotia before heading South East to Land fish in Europe, before taking wine back to Poole.
My family records show The cooks had a share in a timber ship working the baltic timber.
Dorset wool out of Pool or Weymouth,and return with timber.
Unfortunately it is difficult to prove or disprove anything that far back.

In another thread I speculated that a boat from the west country worked I think it was Torquay, Charletown, rice to West Indies , Down to the mouth of the Congo to trade for prisoners of war , return to Charstown T sell prisoners of war as slaves.
This information came from a book of a Charlestown rice plantation family.
The family sold the land to an oil cmpany in the nineteen twenties and was researched by a journalist in the family.

my cook information re loss of Captain John Cook camme from Poole harbour records when researching the namme of a family share in a baltic timbership whick my cousin found.
My records have not come from births , marrages , and deaths, the next generation is reasearchinh that.
It is difficult to prove anything 100 percent
Captain John Cook was the son of Captain James Cook the Captain of a Whitby Collier and the famous Admiralty Surveyor.
If I remember correctly from my school days , he was also the navigator for the assalt up the
St Lawrence river in the assalt on Quebec.
It is easy for me to say "join the Poole family, Richard."
My generation of decendants Agness Cook Were my mother an her four sisters who went under the maiden name of Reardon.
I saw my cousin Patricia last week, She married a Johnstone , a tall blond Scandenavian.

Patsy and Roddy are both over sixty five and are well tanned witha bit of Spanish bood from a a dark eyed Spanish maiden who came bach to Poole on a ship.
This medieval mariner 5 ft 4 inches also showed in a Teeny Cook who fished out of Weymouth alongside me as an incommer fourty years ago.
Very difficult to sort out.
As I said before, I am migrating west to fish along side a Cornishman , whose Devon family sailed with Sir Walter Raliegh.
Any Anyone by the Name of Legge ? was a South devon name ?. Roddy.

[OC Richard]

I love this pic of a great Cornish sporran sitting on three Cornish kilts



from this site, Cornovi

http://www.cornish-tartans.co.uk/kilt_sales.html

A while back I started this thead "show us your Cornish kilts and accessories" and several XMarkers came through with nice pics

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...ssories-77212/

BTW I was noticing the other day that the baseball team The Pittsburgh Pirates wears classic Cornish colours and have a classic Cornish name!



That area had a large Cornish immigration due to mining. However, it's claimed that the team name comes from the team stealing a player from another team... hmmm... but why the Cornish colours?

[Grizzled Ian]

Cornish colours, OCR? They're copying the Stealers, aren't they? Oh no, sorry, that's "Steelers", isn't it.

[Pleater]

When my husband's company had offices just back from Poole quay to reach the waterside you walked through Stockingers Lane - it was about five feet wide, and just a tiny remainder from the industries and trades associated with the wool - Dorset sheep breeds are still around and still rightly famous for the quality of their fleeces.

The workshops housing the knitting frames are long gone, the area behind the quay has been redeveloped several times since then, but it is possible to walk on the same worn stones as the workers from back then.

Anne the Pleater :ootd:

[castledangerous]

According to Wikipedia, The Pittsburgh Pirates of the US Amateur Hockey Association "were the first team in Pittsburgh to use the black & gold color scheme, basing their colors around the Flag of Pittsburgh's colors.", as early as 1925. The Pittsburgh Steelers didn't even exist until 1933.

Further, "The city of Pittsburgh's coat of arms is based on the family arms of William Pitt, the first Earl of Chatham and the city's namesake." The Pitt's were apparently Cornish, so perhaps there is a long and drawn out connection there.

[Roderick Powell]

A poole trader. Captain John Cook drowned in Poole harbour about the time of Jacobite Rebellion. Later the Cookes had shares in a Baltic timber ship, My cousin told me the name.

Big Dorset wool export warehouses on weymouth quay.
My mother was daughter of lady, maiden name Agness Cook.

When my mother left school she went to work in offices of Sydenhams timber importers above town bridge at Hamworthy.
At some time Agness Cooks forefathers Improved their lot by moving away from the Quay to Parkstone. This was popular with the mariners.
The end of the Napoleonic Wars saw the loss of trade.
Poole town council sold the council silver and rented the town hall out to a local farmer for ten pounds a year. Its a good story of the demise of Poole Quay.
I am still going to study Grand Banks Schooners trips to Nova Scotia. Maybe we will find an Emigrant Winter Watchman on the Grand banks Fishing Stations. There was a display in the Museum on the Quay near the fishing station and the Customs and Coast Guard offices. Roddy