Tartan???

[Rob]

Or the fact that southerners don't, as a rule, like and respect northerners.

Al,

You are guilty of adopting the same stereotypes as the Londoners use. Most Northerners, when referring to Southerners, are really talking about Southeasterners and Londoners in particular. They forget that the South consists of much more than just London and the Southeast. This is just as bad as Londoners thinking that Newcastle is exactly the same as Liverpool.

When I first moved to London from Devon, they all assumed that I came from some mucky old cattle farm, because thats all there was in Devon, wasn't there?

The Northerners weren't much better. When I was travelling on a train from Preston to Plymouth, my fellow passengers (Northerners, who were travelling as far as Bristol) thought that Plymouth was two or three miles past Bristol. When I told them that Plymouth was further from Bristol than Bristol was from London, and that Plymouth was further from London than Liverpool was, they refused to believe me.

Ignorance comes in all shapes and sizes I am afraid, and some of them are even Northerners.

Rob

[al' Sporrano]

Or the fact that southerners don't, as a rule, like and respect northerners.

Al,

You are guilty of adopting the same stereotypes as the Londoners use. Most Northerners, when referring to Southerners, are really talking about Southeasterners and Londoners in particular. They forget that the South consists of much more than just London and the Southeast. This is just as bad as Londoners thinking that Newcastle is exactly the same as Liverpool.

When I first moved to London from Devon, they all assumed that I came from some mucky old cattle farm, because thats all there was in Devon, wasn't there?

The Northerners weren't much better. When I was travelling on a train from Preston to Plymouth, my fellow passengers (Northerners, who were travelling as far as Bristol) thought that Plymouth was two or three miles past Bristol. When I told them that Plymouth was further from Bristol than Bristol was from London, and that Plymouth was further from London than Liverpool was, they refused to believe me.

Ignorance comes in all shapes and sizes I am afraid, and some of them are even Northerners.

Rob

Hi Rob

You have a point as always.

When I was talking about southerners I wasn't talking about those in the WEST country. Much of my attention WAS on the capital and surrounding counties. And of course, my comments are general - some 'southerners' I know are very nice people. Take Hamish for example.

But these old feelings are based on past and current prejudices which exist even today. And we in the north east (rather than just the north) have born the brunt of it over the years.

I can understand your frustrations as well. The image of country yokels in smocks, straw hats, chewing a wheat stalk, whilst milking cows and eating cream teas. The WORZELS have a lot to answer for.

I don't like London. I do like Edinburgh. Let's just leave it at that.

Al

[phil h]

I was talking about you supporting scotland
anyway, I agree with the north south devide thing,anything north of the watford gap don't exisit to them.their loss.

[philbo]

Back to discussing non-tartan kilts, I've recently started to look for non-tartan material just to break away from the traditional tartan-style kilt. I've completed one kilt that has a dark blue cloudy pattern to it with scattered yellow markings that kind of look like lightning. I've seen some African designs as well that I think would make a good kilt. I'd like to have a wide variety. Does anyone else have non-tartan kilts?

[caig]

Al, good on you for supporting Scotland. I have always had affinity with Scotland rather than England. I darent watch the England/Scotland games !

I happen to have a plain grey TFCK kilt whch I bought from Howie about 3 years ago and do not wear. I now have a black one, which I prefer. I dont know your measurements but it could be for sale.....

[Rhino]

Hi Philbo, I'd like to see a pic of that material sounds 8) .
Hi Acaig I had a black kilt first and though I still wear it, it's been religated to second choice.
Cheers Rhino

[al' Sporrano]

Al, good on you for supporting Scotland. I have always had affinity with Scotland rather than England. I darent watch the England/Scotland games !

I happen to have a plain grey TFCK kilt whch I bought from Howie about 3 years ago and do not wear. I now have a black one, which I prefer. I dont know your measurements but it could be for sale.....

Hi Alan,

I think ultimately I see myself as British. My grandparents on my dad's side were both Welsh! I do like Scotland and the Scots. I also like the Celtic culture/heritage, the music and the customs. I'm even threatening to take up Scottish Country Dancing if I ever find the time. Impossible at the moment, but I'm doing my homework on the various classes and so on.

Interesting you might be selling your plain grey kilt. I may pass on that one as I've pretty much decided on another tartan. You could always put it on Ebay!

Al

[ggibby]

Currently my stock is one tartan (8yd formal) and five solid (three tan/khaki, two black), sixth on the way (steel green). I'll be getting another tartan in a poly/viscose soon, I hope.

I really like the solids for daily wear. Solid black kilt, charcoal sweater, black jump (combat) boots is the look I like. No nonsense, but plenty of style. Or, tan kilt, light blue sweater over white button-down shirt, brown boots - business casual for the progressive man.

When I wear tartan, I feel a bit of a peacock strut in my walk. Also, I field a LOT more questions about clan, history and Scotland in general. At work (retail sales), the boss is not excited about that.

On my own time, the ladies respond to both, but much more to the tartan. And teenage boys don't yell "My sister's got a dress like that!" out of pickup truck windows. If I ever meet that twerp, I'll tell him "Yeah, she left it on my bedroom floor..."

-G

[Rhino]

ggibby wrote

I feel a bit of a peacock strut in my walk

I get that feel in any kilt and it's left me a bit confused. .
I have always been the kind of guy to throw the first thing I found hanging on the floor, as long as it didn't stand out, onto my back. As long as a patch of fabric covered my a**e I wasn't really bothered. I wore jeans till they fell off me and my entire wardrobe consisted of clothing my wife bought me for birthdays etc.
My wife on the other hand is a fashion victim and loves anything to do with that world, very SATC, and always tried to drag me into it, and failed.
And then I went with her to the clothes show live last year had a few beers with Howie and his oppo Douggie ordered a kilt and the rest is history.
For example I recently went to a Harvey Nicks opening for their Spring collection, took the wife, and wore my pinstripe kilt, and everyone thought I was some kind of celebrity fashionista, I loved it.
A Harvey Nicks stylist came to chat to me and told me I was the most stylish guy there. When I laughed about it to my wife, she said, in a loud voice (5 glasses of champagne ), 'well you are, you're the sexiest man here'
Sorry to go on but it really is a revelation to me.
Cheers Rhino

[Chris]

I like tartan, but to each his own. Hey, how is a coduroy kilt going to hold it's pleats?