Apprpriate dress for ceremonial occasion

**Farmer Jones** · 8th August 13, 06:50 AM

I never came here to pick a fight. I came here to ask a polite question. I have contacted my government to ask about the accoutrements, I expect they will answer the actual question I asked. If some of you wish to believe that the honour conveyed by the kilt and tartan are for Scots only, then recall your ancestors, rewrite history, leave the places you now reside, and take the traditions they exported back with you. If you cannot accept that the Scottish ways have been recognized, emulated and absorbed into new cultures and places, then the real world is not a suitable place for you to dwell. It requires a degree of malice to misunderstand and misinterpret things I previously wrote, and so I can only assume that some in here are seeking to pick a fight and exclude new comers. All right, I get the hint.

**Glen** · 8th August 13, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Farmer Jones

I have contacted my government to ask about the accoutrements, I expect they will answer the actual question I asked.

I am interested in the response, especially given the nature of our current government.

Do not take too serious those with 'old' thoughts as those are just that, from the 'old' country, and Canada is a new country, still developing. It is those in your lodge, brother, that you should seek guidance from...

**Jock Scot** · 8th August 13, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Farmer Jones

I never came here to pick a fight. I came here to ask a polite question. I have contacted my government to ask about the accoutrements, I expect they will answer the actual question I asked. If some of you wish to believe that the honour conveyed by the kilt and tartan are for Scots only, then recall your ancestors, rewrite history, leave the places you now reside, and take the traditions they exported back with you. If you cannot accept that the Scottish ways have been recognized, emulated and absorbed into new cultures and places, then the real world is not a suitable place for you to dwell. It requires a degree of malice to misunderstand and misinterpret things I previously wrote, and so I can only assume that some in here are seeking to pick a fight and exclude new comers. All right, I get the hint.

I don't believe for a second that you did come here for a fight, nor does anyone else come here for that reason either. Unfortunately you have had the misfortune to inadvertantly " stub your cigar out in a petrol can", with the inevitable results! Stick around for a while, you may learn something to your advantage.

**Father Bill** · 8th August 13, 07:42 AM

Jock's right; there are a lot of us here who take an opportunity to get on our favourite soap boxes. It really isn't personal; Jock and I regularly cross swords - he's usually in the right, but we each have our favourite issues, and it doesn't take much for a lot of us to climb up on our hind legs and make a speech... but there's a lot to learn from personal opinions.

I find it interesting to note, in the top right corner, the location of the writer. It often gives a clue to the cultural source of the position.

Please don't take it personally; you inadvertently tripped on a favourite hornet's nest.

Bill+

**Glen** · 8th August 13, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

" stub your cigar out in a petrol can"

It is an empty gasoline can from my perspective...

**Jock Scot** · 8th August 13, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Glen

It is an empty gasoline can from my perspective...

Even fumes can be tricky!

**Liam** · 8th August 13, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

I don't believe for a second that you did come here for a fight, nor does anyone else come here for that reason either. Unfortunately you have had the misfortune to inadvertantly " stub your cigar out in a petrol can", with the inevitable results! Stick around for a while, you may learn something to your advantage.

Actually, I am quite enjoying this thread. I apologize to Farmer Jones - the OP for using this as a bit of a soap box to give non-Canadians a sense of how we feel. I think if he (the OP) follows the advise of most of his fellow countrymen, who have posted here on the subject, then he will wear his Maple Leaf tartan kilt.

**Phil** · 8th August 13, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Farmer Jones

It requires a degree of malice to misunderstand and misinterpret things I previously wrote

I believe that you wrote "but it is not longer just a Scottish national dress" in an earlier post so I see no malice or misinterpretation in accepting that this is exactly what you meant to say.
Whether or not you choose to wear a kilt to some ceremonial event in your own country is entirely a matter for you and no-one here is in any way trying to pick a fight or exclude you so please do not be so precious about this. Your assertion that the kilt is no longer just a Scottish national dress is not only incorrect, however, but is also deeply offensive to those of us born and raised in that culture. Many here previously have tried to "pooh-pooh" our claim to the kilt as a national symbol, for whatever reason, mostly I think to justify some spurious reason of theirs to legitimately wear a kilt, so if you receive a strong rebuttal then you will certainly know that you are not being picked upon.

**Jock Scot** · 8th August 13, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Phil

I believe that you wrote "but it is not longer just a Scottish national dress" in an earlier post so I see no malice or misinterpretation in accepting that this is exactly what you meant to say.
Whether or not you choose to wear a kilt to some ceremonial event in your own country is entirely a matter for you and no-one here is in any way trying to pick a fight or exclude you so please do not be so precious about this. Your assertion that the kilt is no longer just a Scottish national dress is not only incorrect, however, but is also deeply offensive to those of us born and raised in that culture. Many here previously have tried to "pooh-pooh" our claim to the kilt as a national symbol, for whatever reason, mostly I think to justify some spurious reason of theirs to legitimately wear a kilt, so if you receive a strong rebuttal then you will certainly know that you are not being picked upon.

I have run out of aye's, so a huge PLUS ONE!

**Hopper250** · 8th August 13, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Phil

I believe that you wrote "but it is not longer just a Scottish national dress" in an earlier post so I see no malice or misinterpretation in accepting that this is exactly what you meant to say.
Whether or not you choose to wear a kilt to some ceremonial event in your own country is entirely a matter for you and no-one here is in any way trying to pick a fight or exclude you so please do not be so precious about this. Your assertion that the kilt is no longer just a Scottish national dress is not only incorrect, however, but is also deeply offensive to those of us born and raised in that culture. Many here previously have tried to "pooh-pooh" our claim to the kilt as a national symbol, for whatever reason, mostly I think to justify some spurious reason of theirs to legitimately wear a kilt, so if you receive a strong rebuttal then you will certainly know that you are not being picked upon.

I intended to read and learn in this, but you are mistaken Phil. Farmer Jones never said that. The person who said that was theOfficialbren. I understand your concerns however they are misdirected.