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3rd September 06, 09:54 AM
#31
Originally Posted by cloves
I'd suggest that it's not the woman wearing the kilt that gives most men pause for concern, rather the thought that the general public may think a man wearing the same garment was anything less than a man..
Well....I have said this before here (I think) and I will say it here for the record....
My jeans, my shoes, my belts, my polo shirts, my T-shirts as far as I am concerned all look like what I see women wearing. I know that I am wearing men's clothing because I bought it in the men's department. The same goes for any kilt. It is men's clothing, designed specifically for men, and I think any man should be proud to wear it and should enjoy the comfort and freedom that only a kilt can offer.
Women for some reason have since the middle of the 20th century thought nothing of wearing men's clothes whenever they want and while I think that's very strange there are some things in life I have decided I will never understand and those things I just need to put out of my mind.
Phil in Phoenix
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3rd September 06, 09:55 AM
#32
Personally, I see kilts as clothing, full stop. Clothing serves two basic purposes. One is to protect the body from environmental conditions and two, to keep people from frightening the horses and offending the preachers. Beyond that, wear what you want, male or female. I guess I'm just not hung up on gender roles.
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3rd September 06, 11:26 AM
#33
The irony of the whole thing is that 99.9% of women's clothing is designed by men.
Torturous high heeled shoes, distinctly uncomfortable low-rider jeans? Belly type shirt that only looks good on a walking skeleton? Sure; throw them all together in the same look! After all, women aren't happy unless they hate thier own bodies!
I'm not going to comment on the whole women wearing men's clothes thing, because we all have things that irritate us. If you like it, you like it, if you don't, you don't.
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3rd September 06, 12:05 PM
#34
Originally Posted by cloves
This debate will go on and on and I fear this is the sort of thread that may get locked. I hope it doesn't. I really dig guys in kilts, and women in kilts....I just love kilts.
Indeed, the debate will go on and on, in thread after thread. One doesn't need to look back very far to see the last time this one went around. I sometimes wonder why all the myriad aspects of kilts are ignored (avoided??), yet women in kilts and The Question keep rearing their ugly heads.
When a man wears a kilt, which is more often than not perceived by society as a woman's garment, that man is congratulated for being bold and stepping away from the pack. When a woman wears a kilt, which that same man perceives as a man's garment, that woman is commiting a fashion crime. Sure, I understand... Not.
Wouldn't it be really nice to rid the world of the things we don't like? How long do you suppose it would take to eliminate wars, hunger, illiteracy, etc.?
As for locking this thread down, there's no need for that yet. One individual pushed the envelope a bit, but it didn't get out of hand so we've let it run its course.
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3rd September 06, 12:20 PM
#35
Originally Posted by Blu (Ontario)
No, The unwritten but well known general rule is...
Women wear whatever they want to... that would include utilikilts.
The only fashion boundaries are what they set for themselves.
Precisely. And Men let their boundries be set by everyone else, and they are afraid to cross them. How manly is that?
Women wear what they want.
Sadly, Men wear what they are told to wear.
Cheers
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3rd September 06, 01:38 PM
#36
The first Utilikilt I ever saw (black Workmans) was being worn by a woman, and she looked FABULOUS. I wanted to look fabulous too. 21 kilts later..........
I've kilt for less.
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3rd September 06, 02:11 PM
#37
Things that make you go hmmm ...
Seems this topic was flogged previously but there is no horse so dead it can't be beat some more ...
Raphael said it most eloquently but I add "almost any kilt" to that, depending on the girl/woman/person.
Heck my friend Trav looks good in my beat-up old work jeans, she has my T-shirt from Aftershock in SF, and my favorite boxers from Quebec. Complaints? none other than I want the boxers back.
MY friends Die-Anna and her Mom made it to Kilt Night last week in short SKs, all the girls serving (well except for two) had matching SKs, one lass showed up with her man and she had the audacity to look better in her UK than he (my opinion, your smilage may vary ...).
It's not the clothes that make the man, it's the man in the clothes.
CT - and I'll wear what I want.
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3rd September 06, 02:28 PM
#38
Originally Posted by Red Lioness
The irony of the whole thing is that 99.9% of women's clothing is designed by men.
Torturous high heeled shoes, distinctly uncomfortable low-rider jeans? Belly type shirt that only looks good on a walking skeleton? Sure; throw them all together in the same look! After all, women aren't happy unless they hate thier own bodies!
I'm not going to comment on the whole women wearing men's clothes thing, because we all have things that irritate us. If you like it, you like it, if you don't, you don't.
You know, if women's fashions are so uncomfortable, they don't have to buy them. But they do. If 99.9% of the designers are men, then either they really know what women want to wear, or they design what pleases them (and by extension, other men) and women buy it to look that way.
I don't think we'll see women adopting the kilt, contemporaory or traditional, as a major part of their wardrobes. I'm not going to worry about others thinking I'm a cross-dresser when I'm kilted. Whatever I put together will be a man's outfit!
Convener, Georgia Chapter, House of Gordon (Boss H.O.G.)
Where 4 Scotsmen gather there'll usually be a fifth.
7/5 of the world's population have a difficult time with fractions.
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3rd September 06, 02:34 PM
#39
Originally Posted by Red Lioness
Belly type shirt that only looks good on a walking skeleton?
We have quite a few of those young ladies where I work and I don't like the look. I don't think it can be very healthy in my opinion. How can you really enjoy life when you are trying to maintain that appearance? :confused:
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3rd September 06, 03:57 PM
#40
You know, if women's fashions are so uncomfortable, they don't have to buy them. But they do. If 99.9% of the designers are men, then either they really know what women want to wear, or they design what pleases them (and by extension, other men) and women buy it to look that way.
That's true, you don't have to buy into current fashions, but you do have to wear clothes. Now you can wait through so many trends, but sooner or later you have to buy new clothes and stores, as a rule, don't sell what isn't fashionable.
And that's only *if* you're secure enough in your womanhood to not buy into the myth that only rail-thin 21 year old fashion models are beautiful. Many, many women aren't and will buy whatever is deemed fashionable. I won't go into teenagers and younger. It really is a poisonous part of our society that so many women and girls believe they'll never be pretty or thin enough.
And fashion designers don't know what women want, they have big fancy names that the celebrities want to wear and then woman mimic what the celebrities wear.
Hey, I'm not any happier about it than you are; my own mother, at 51 years of age, still goes on crash diets and strives to be 120 lbs. She's taller than me and at the finest shape of my life I was 138 lbs. You'd like to think people have more sense than that.
But don't worry lads, if the Fashion Police show up and say: 'You can only wear one type of garment for the rest of your life!' I'd pick the traditional Japanese kimono.
Then I'd just find a man who picked the kilt.
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