Six or Seven Celtic nations?

**The Wizard of BC** · 1st January 08, 08:20 PM

The Family Tree DNA company is the same one that provides the test for the Genographic Project.

I was not trying to say that I was attempting to trace my family tree using the Genographic Project. You are correct that that is not what it is all about. It is a broad project focusing on Human Migration Routes and that is what I wanted to do.

**Bugbear** · 1st January 08, 06:26 PM

Thank you for those book suggestions, The Wizard of BC. I have seen some interesting things in relation to the tracking of mitocondreal DNA and one of the cultures I grew up in and it is slowly changing world views in that culture.
Hegel's The Philosophy of History is the book I was trying to remember and it was very difficult to understand, so I'm thinking of the help that I recieved from teachers and so on in understanding the book as far as the gist being that history is a spirit trying to be born. It's not a quote from the book as far as I can remember.

**Bugbear** · 1st January 08, 08:44 PM

Sorry, The Wizard of BC
, hope your painting goes well.

Also, sorry about the miscomunications and goof ups on the history stuff. Hope I didn't get too far out on a limb back there in my other posts. It was fun to talk about that stuff though. Peace and chicken grease...

**The Wizard of BC** · 2nd January 08, 12:20 AM

Ya know, before opening my big mouth I was having a good time painting my shop walls. I think I'm going to go check, I may have missed a spot.

**Bugbear** · 2nd January 08, 09:08 PM

Thus the spirit is born.

**slohairt** · 2nd January 08, 09:26 PM

Indeedily-doo! The spirit o the kilt!

I'm not trying to come across as snarky or harsh or anything like that in my posts. I'm just stating that, from an academic point-of-view, these cultures are very much alive. If one wants to consider themselves Celtic, so be it. If not, then don't. Even if one has no tangible connection, physical or otherwise, create one. It's just as good as any. I'll certainly consider you an honourary Celt.

That brings me to an interesting point. I've noted that, among the younger generations of these countries, your place of birth is of paramount importance when determining who and what you are. Among the older generations, who frequently have relatives abroad, this is not often the case. Though I live in Canada, I was born in Ireland. When I am presented in a social setting with a Canadian who claims partial or whole Irish heritage, do I diminish his or her claim? Certainly not. He or she has as much right to be considered Irish as I do. When I am presented to an Irish person "fresh off the boat" they say I am Canadian because of how I sound. This happened when I returned to live in Ireland as well. When I state I was born in Co. Donegal, they say "oh, okay, then you're Irish." As if that mattered.

Sometimes we cherish things a bit more once they're gone. I think that's all these people are really searching for.

**Bugbear** · 2nd January 08, 09:33 PM

slohairt , this is an interesting observation you bring up with the place of birth. Here in the U.S. we have a ethnic label thing going on. Many of us were quite soundly born in America, but there is a splitting off into groups like Scottish-American. It's a bit confusing. We also have tribes of people such as the Zuni and Dine' who have been labeled Native-American.
Gees, I lost half the post...
Anyway, what I was about to ask is how are you Non-Americans, there I go labeling, viewing this labeling of everyone and everthing.

I brought up the Zuni and Dine' tribes because I partly grew up with people of those tribes. Throw in there Latino and pueblo. It was all mixed up.

**slohairt** · 2nd January 08, 09:36 PM

But there is a...?

Much the same occurs here in Canada as well. As far as I'm concerned, once one has Canadian citizenship, they are considered a Canadian. No matter where they come from. Such is the nature of our multi-cultural New World nations. Unless you are aboriginal/first nations/indian, you are either an immigrant or descended from immigrants. Our citizenship and shared experience is what brings us together.

**Bugbear** · 2nd January 08, 10:01 PM

Ok, this will take a few editings to pull off because of this log off problem I am having, but here we go.
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Much the same occurs here in Canada as well. As far as I'm concerned, once one has Canadian citizenship, they are considered a Canadian. No matter where they come from. Such is the nature of our multi-cultural New World nations. Unless you are aboriginal/first nations/indian, you are either an immigrant or descended from immigrants.

Understood. Although, all people of the "new world" are of immigrants: First Nation walked the rest hopped on boats, although that view is changing also. Oh, who knows anymore.

QUOTE=slohairt; Our citizenship and shared experience is what brings us together.[/QUOTE

Ok, I believe that this whole world, all the people, are right on the edge of a cultural evolution. Kind of a picking up of the reversing swing that started perhaps with the loss of the library of Alexandria and all kinds of aughful things like that on into the loss of South American pre-conquest history stuf... We don't even know what we don't know. Anyway. A possibility to move from type 0 civilization to type one as Mitieu coku says or how ever you spell his name. Like maybe even um taking our evolution into our own hands in a scientific way, don't know. We might not care about genetics too much in the future for any number of reasons. (A nice gental blending of all until we don't know who and where we came from.)]

**Bugbear** · 2nd January 08, 09:48 PM

I'm sorry, slohairt, something is loging me off if I don't keep posting, then editing, then posting the edit, then editing. I'll go back and try to finnish.
Ok I added a little more to that first post, and I see your post.
Um, I'm not hearing the term "Celtic-Scot," or "Celtic-Irish," but I hear "Celtic-American" quite a bit.