Jewish Tartan

[Dukeof Kircaldy]

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Is there a menorah in the center of their clan badge?

Slainte,
steve

Naw, but Slanj of Glasgow, the highland wear specialists, have designed a kilt pin which combines a Star of David and a thistle.

[Monkey@Arms]

Religion-based tartans would seem to be divisive, rather than inclusive, as they imply that their use should be restricted only to persons of that faith.

SNIP

Surely the outward appearance is one of choosing sides or, perhaps more accurately, abandoning or turning one's back on the greater community in which they live.

Although many individuals have turned tartan and tartan wearing into a near religion, it is, and always has been, a flag of secular allegiance.

Perhaps it would be wise to leave it so.

We may be experiencing cultural differences on this one. I see this tartan as an example of Jewish Scots being proud of their Scottish homeland and culture, and sharing that pride with the rest of us. I am aware, however, that in some instances in the UK religion is freighted with sectarianism, and perhaps that is coloring your view.

I do have a rather hard time in seeing how creating a Jewish tartan for those who lack a clan affiliation, but wish to have a personally relevant tartan is any different then any of the other recently designed tartans, such as the Leatherneck, or Masonic, etc.

I am perhaps most disturbed by the suggestion that a member of the Jewish faith by wearing a kilt in this tartan, is "abandoning or turning one's back on the greater community in which they live." Perhaps the poster may wish to rethink that one, lest a more heated discussion arise.

Best regards,

Jake

[starbkjrus]

About how long does it take before a newly registered (with the STA) tartan shows up in the Tartan Ferret?

That's a very good question. Unless something has changed recently the X-Marks tartan still does not show up and it was registered over three years ago.

[thescot]

I. . .Religion-based tartans would seem to be divisive, rather than inclusive, as they imply that their use should be restricted only to persons of that faith.

. . .Insofar as western society, as a whole, is tolerant of most belief structures why should it be necessary to attempt to set oneself apart from the mainstream by creating a sense of "a closed community within an open society"? . ..

Frankly, Mac, I don't want to be just like everybody else. I am set apart in many ways, as each of us is, and I think that makes life interesting. I am reminded of Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron."

While I can I see your point. I certainly disagree that tartan is a symbol of "secular allegiance." In fact, most tartans seem to represent clans, which are by nature exclusive. Same can be said for regimental tartans. Each represents a unique group within the whole, setting itself apart from others.

There's no need for everyone to be like the mainstream. If that were the case, we wouldn't be wearing kilts at all. So I don't see any problem with any type tartan, clan, regiment, corporate, family, religious, clergy, or "bumby." It's a fashion statement.

And--as a couple of others have pointed out--there is more than religion in being Jewish, just as there is more to being Scottish than being Presbyterian.

Besides all that, I think the tartan looks really good.

[davedove]

That's a very good question. Unless something has changed recently the X-Marks tartan still does not show up and it was registered over three years ago.

X marks the Scot does appear using the tartan ferret. If you just put "X" in for the tartan name, X marks is the only one to show up.

The Jewish tartan did not however.

[Dukeof Kircaldy]

I am perhaps most disturbed by the suggestion that a member of the Jewish faith by wearing a kilt in this tartan, is "abandoning or turning one's back on the greater community in which they live." Perhaps the poster may wish to rethink that one, lest a more heated discussion arise.

Heated discussion? Between whom?

TWO JEWS--THREE OPINIONS!

[JS Sanders]

<< ...Slanj of Glasgow... have designed a kilt pin which combines a Star of David and a thistle. >>

Duke,
I searched their kilt pins and came up with bupkus.

Is it elsewhere?

Slainte yall,
steve

[Dukeof Kircaldy]

<< ...Slanj of Glasgow... have designed a kilt pin which combines a Star of David and a thistle. >>

Duke,
I searched their kilt pins and came up with bupkus.

Is it elsewhere?

Slainte yall,
steve

Hey, so did I, but it was in the Jewish Telegraph article.

Where are these? We want to see them!

[Monkey@Arms]

Hey, so did I, but it was in the Jewish Telegraph article.

Where are these? We want to see them!

Until the Slanj pins are found, here are two less-traditional possibilities from Nagle Forge:





Best regards,

Jake

[Jack Daw]

<< I gotta say that this statement is a little offensive to me... >>

Take a chill-pill dude. Judaism is well-known for its wry, self-deprecating humour.

BTW - Wife & I attend services here: www.timemphis.org. Next time yall are in town, you're welcome to attend with us.

Slainte,
steve

LOL!!!!