White Tie Kilt Dress

[JSFMACLJR]

I'm glad some of us have balls. Pardon my ignorance but where does Levee Dress fit into this equation? Would this not be the equivalent of "White Tie"?

It's actually "more than white tie." Might I suggest if you are interested in dress worn at court to begin with Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Court_uniform_and_dress

You might also like to read the Lord Chamberlain's regulations governing dress worn at HM's Court (the 1912 edition):
http://www.costumes.org/history/gall...essatcourt.htm

Sandford MacLean

[WClarkB]

I've been asked what the rules on wearing a kilt as white tie are. I was fairly certain that it's ok to wear kilts as white tie and this seems to back that thought up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_t...Highland_dress

However a friend of mine who works for a posh Scottish company has said that his own company only dress in kilts at black tie events cause they don't consider kilts as white tie (and I should stress this is a posh company).

Any thoughts from you kilt police out there?

Geee
if Wikipedia says it is white tie.......

[JSFMACLJR]

[The Barry]

And this is why I'm very glad that I don't personally know any heads of state.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Actually, it's not all that bad. It seems daunting on the page, but when you lay out all of that stuff on the bed and start getting dressed, it really isn't any more of a bother than putting on a suit and tie (except for the sword, which you have to be careful not to close in the car door). Once you are through the door, everybody else is in pretty much the same sort of rig, and you just enjoy the company. It is surprisingly unpretentious, everyone is really going out of their way to be more than superficially nice, and when it's over, and you are back in your car headed home, you find that you really did have a good time, and you rather wish you could do it again next week.

[Phil]

Various styles of formal dress seem to exercise the imagination of many contributors here, the reason for which intrigues me but may perhaps lie in a latent desire to re-create a long-forgotten age, redolent with Kings, Queens and all the Cinderella trappings supposedly associated with them. Functions such as "Caledonian Ball's" are largely anachronisms in this day and age and that illustrated guide to forms of Court dress belong to a bygone era which ceased along with debutantes 50-odd years ago. It is certainly no longer appropriate should any member here receive an invitation from Her Majesty. As an instance of this I know from personal experience that guests from Scotland at one fairly recent Royal event, the marriage of Prince Charles to Camilla Parker-Bowles, were wearing PC's, white hose etc. to the daytime event so to attempt to infer that such inviolable rules still exist is misleading to say the least. It also begs the question raised in another discussion about the propriety of wearing such dress in the daytime.
I do agree, however, that there still exist such dinosaurs as "Caledonian Balls" which are the last vestiges of an otherwise extinct society and which exist principally to offer attendees the opportunity to dress up in a way they could not otherwise, and really, to paraphrase Groucho Marks "I wouldn't want to be in any Club that would have them as members".

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Phil,
Simply because you have personal knowledge of guests at a wedding turning up improperly attired doesn't mean that it is in any way misleading to say that there are rules, and to suggest that those rules should be followed. On the contrary, it would seem to positively underscore the need to explain to people "how things are supposed to be done".

I gather from your last remark that, as there are a fair number of "dinosaurs" who are members here at X Marks the Scot, and to quote your paraphrasing of Julius Marx, "I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have them as members", you are planning on leaving.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

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[Phil]

I gather from your last remark that, as there are a fair number of "dinosaurs" who are members here at X Marks the Scot, and to quote your paraphrasing of Julius Marx, "I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have them as members", you are planning on leaving.

My dear MOR, I find you here and in excellent form at 5a.m. your time. Have you just returned from yet another Ball? The club I was referring to was, of course, the Caledonian Ball as you know perfectly well. Unless, of course, you are by now completely befuddled from lack of sleep and your "sword" became trapped in the door of your car.
As to "rules", my experience has been that these are most closely followed by those anxious to curry favour and toady-in to those they regard as their "betters".

[george7]

Phil,
Simply because you have personal knowledge of guests at a wedding turning up improperly attired doesn't mean that it is in any way misleading to say that there are rules, and to suggest that those rules should be followed. On the contrary, it would seem to positively underscore the need to explain to people "how things are supposed to be done".

I gather from your last remark that, as there are a fair number of "dinosaurs" who are members here at X Marks the Scot, and to quote your paraphrasing of Julius Marx, "I wouldn't want to be in any club that would have them as members", you are planning on leaving.

Phil made no reference to leaving xmarks as this is a club that is happy to receive him. Mind we don't step on somebody's toes over white socks.