Confederate Memorial

[L. Ramsay]

If you're wanting to wear the Confederate Memorial to honor the soldiers of "the South", keep in mind that geography did not necessarily dictate allegiance to either of the two governments. Many folks in the Appalachians sided with the Union, as did a few flat-landers.

I think it's a beautiful tartan, and if you get the kilt, I hope to see you at Games and such.

What I've always found especially intriguing is Maryland. Public opinion and the officials in power were secessionists, but the Federal Government intervened and revoked Habeas Corpus, so the leadership was imprisoned and Maryland couldn't secede. I find that more dramatic than the familiar border states of Kentucky and Missouri.

But I find it more interesting that the tartan incorporates both the flag colors, the typical uniform color, and the branch colors. So it transcends the regional really.

[macwilkin]

What I've always found especially intriguing is Maryland. Public opinion and the officials in power were secessionists, but the Federal Government intervened and revoked Habeas Corpus, so the leadership was imprisoned and Maryland couldn't secede. I find that more dramatic than the familiar border states of Kentucky and Missouri.

But I find it more interesting that the tartan incorporates both the flag colors, the typical uniform color, and the branch colors. So it transcends the regional really.

Actually the events of Missouri were much worse. Many Missourians were Constitutional Unionists, and attempted to remain neutral, as did Kentucky.

I don't have an exact figure at hand, but all of the border states produced more regiments for the Union than the Confederacy. In Missouri, over 100,000 volunteered for Federal units, while only 40,000 joined the Confederate forces and the pro-Southern Missouri State Guard, which was not a unit of the CSA.

There is a relatively new book out that I haven't read yet on this very topic:

http://www.amazon.com/South-Vs-Anti-...ref=pd_sim_b_2

T.

[L. Ramsay]

large portions of Eastern Tennessee,

Pardon the off-topic nature of my addition here, but I find it worth noting that my family were well-to-do secessionists right around Knoxville. If you're ever in the area, you might want to check out Ramsey House.

[L. Ramsay]

Actually the events of Missouri were much worse. Many Missourians were Constitutional Unionists, and attempted to remain neutral, as did Kentucky.

I don't have an exact figure at hand, but all of the border states produced more regiments for the Union than the Confederacy. In Missouri, over 100,000 volunteered for Federal units, while only 40,000 joined the Confederate forces and the pro-Southern Missouri State Guard, which was not a unit of the CSA.

There is a relatively new book out that I haven't read yet on this very topic:

http://www.amazon.com/South-Vs-Anti-...ref=pd_sim_b_2

T.

If I ever find myself with the time required for reading a new book, I'll keep that one in mind. Thanks.

[Riverkilt]

A house divided for sure, even within families after all these years.

But it IS a beautiful tartan. Don't know that many folks would have a clue what the tartan represented, even in the South, unless you combined it with era attire.


Sam Nesmith


Rob Theige, Kathy Lare's husband

[macwilkin]

Pardon the off-topic nature of my addition here, but I find it worth noting that my family were well-to-do secessionists right around Knoxville. If you're ever in the area, you might want to check out Ramsey House.

There are always exceptions to the rule, of course. Greene County, Missouri, where I live, was mostly pro-Union, but one of the founding families, the Campbells, were pro-secession. Eastern TN, however, contained a fairly large population of Southern Loyalists. Current's book devotes at least one chapter to them. My old adviser in university was from Johnson City, and discussed Eastern TN in our Civil War class as a "disloyal" area for Richmond.

Also I note your comment "well-to-do". Most Southern Loyalists were not that, but yeoman farmers and "poor white trash" who resented the political & economic power of the planter aristocracy. To keep this somewhat on topic, many of them were of Ulster-Scots heritage, as were the early settlers of SW MO, who hailed from the Upper South. Missouri's geographic divide was flipped-flopped; most of the Southern portion of the state were moderates or Unionists, while the "Little Dixie" region along the Missouri River saw the largest pro-secession areas.

T.

[L. Ramsay]

I find it interesting that the local populations didn't follow the lead of influential families, after all in many cases they had founded the towns.

But, kilts. Yes. I'm certain some of them wore kilts.

[macwilkin]

I find it interesting that the local populations didn't follow the lead of influential families, after all in many cases they had founded the towns.

But, kilts. Yes. I'm certain some of them wore kilts.

It happened in the Revolution (our first Civil War) as well; the Anglo-Dutch "Lords of the Hudson" in New York generally (mea culpa) favored the Patriot cause, while their Highland Scots tenants were Loyalists.

T.

[L. Ramsay]

It happened in the Revolution (our first Civil War) as well; the Anglo-Dutch "Lord of the Hudson" in New York generally (mea culpa) favored the Patriot cause, while their Highland Scots tenants were Loyalists.

T.

Its the sort of thing that strikes you as ironic at first glance. But the great thing about history is that first glance is never right!

[Colin MacBean]

A house divided for sure, even within families after all these years.

But it IS a beautiful tartan. Don't know that many folks would have a clue what the tartan represented, even in the South, unless you combined it with era attire.


Sam Nesmith


Rob Theige, Kathy Lare's husband

That is a really beautiful tartan Feels somewhat like a pastel drawing.