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8th August 12, 09:01 AM
#31
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Deirachel
My point, Meghan, is they don't represent Islam AT ALL. Not "some Muslims" as those posts state.
Depends on how you think about it yes, it does represent some Muslims as those individuals are Muslim. Therefore, they are being represented. It doesnt, however, represent Islam.
My only complaint with this tartan (which isnt really a complaint at all) is that I get the impression that this tartan is for Muslims who live in Scotland, not Muslims with Scottish heritage. I am a Muslim with Scottish heritage but I don't live in Scotland, which makes me wonder if this tartan was ever meant for someone like me. In my mind, I deserve a tartan like this on all sides of the coin as I have the heritage AND the religion to claim a tartan like this. Others might not believe I should get to wear this as I dont live in Scotland.
At the end of the day, I hope this becomes a piece of my (very small) collection someday. The creator, from what I have heard, is a super cool guy (with a very cool accent).
Last edited by Meggers; 8th August 12 at 09:02 AM.
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8th August 12, 09:16 AM
#32
I like it! Honor your heritage. Cool cool.
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9th August 12, 07:41 PM
#33
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by MeghanWalker
My only complaint with this tartan (which isnt really a complaint at all) is that I get the impression that this tartan is for Muslims who live in Scotland, not Muslims with Scottish heritage. I am a Muslim with Scottish heritage but I don't live in Scotland, which makes me wonder if this tartan was ever meant for someone like me. In my mind, I deserve a tartan like this on all sides of the coin as I have the heritage AND the religion to claim a tartan like this. Others might not believe I should get to wear this as I dont live in Scotland.
At the end of the day, I hope this becomes a piece of my (very small) collection someday. The creator, from what I have heard, is a super cool guy (with a very cool accent).
I read his comments from the article posted in OP, so I can definitely understand your impression. From the article, it sounds like it may be for Muslims in Scotland and/or Muslims educated in Scotland, but now elsewhere. But, from the official registration we have this sentance: "Scottish academic Dr Azeem Ibrahim, developed this concept after consulting leading Islamic scholars around the world - Shaikh Humza Yousaf, Imam Zaid Shakir and Dr Umar Abd-Allah." Following this we have "In Scotland, he sought advice from Shaikh Amer Jamil, Scotland's leading Islamic scholar.". 3 "International" scholars, 2 Scottish scholars. As the STA registration's notes are part of the official explanation of the tartan, I feel it's easily arguable this is a tartan for Muslims, anywhere and with any or no connection to Scotland herself. The tartan appears to be representing Islam, with an acknowledgement to the modern ties between Islam and Scotland (and thus the rest of the world.) It would be interesting if we could get Dr. Ibraham's comments on this question. (I can still understand he or as specific group holding copyright/reserve for fund raising purposes)
I've tried to invite Dr Ibraham to comment via his listed twitter feed from the HuffPost.
Death before Dishonor -- Nothing before Coffee
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10th August 12, 07:36 AM
#34
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Deirachel
I read his comments from the article posted in OP, so I can definitely understand your impression. From the article, it sounds like it may be for Muslims in Scotland and/or Muslims educated in Scotland, but now elsewhere. But, from the official registration we have this sentance: "Scottish academic Dr Azeem Ibrahim, developed this concept after consulting leading Islamic scholars around the world - Shaikh Humza Yousaf, Imam Zaid Shakir and Dr Umar Abd-Allah." Following this we have "In Scotland, he sought advice from Shaikh Amer Jamil, Scotland's leading Islamic scholar.". 3 "International" scholars, 2 Scottish scholars. As the STA registration's notes are part of the official explanation of the tartan, I feel it's easily arguable this is a tartan for Muslims, anywhere and with any or no connection to Scotland herself. The tartan appears to be representing Islam, with an acknowledgement to the modern ties between Islam and Scotland (and thus the rest of the world.) It would be interesting if we could get Dr. Ibraham's comments on this question. (I can still understand he or as specific group holding copyright/reserve for fund raising purposes)
I've tried to invite Dr Ibraham to comment via his listed twitter feed from the HuffPost.
Thats a good point. Hamza Yusuf is an Irish-American, in any case.
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10th August 12, 12:27 PM
#35
Deirachel, your examples relating British tartan usage to the Church of England are irrelevant, because of the fundamentally different relationship between the British sovereign and her respective roles in the English and Scottish Churches and between any Muslim sovereign and Islam within his country.
You give the example of a British royal being authorised to wear Balmoral tartan and subsequently converting to Islam.
What might actually affect the situation would be the conversion of Queen Elizabeth or one of her successors to Islam – but in view of the strong constitutional links between the Crown and the respective Churches this is most unlikely.
For what it is worth, I like the idea of a Scottish Islamic tartan, and it would be great to see some pictures, in due course, of Meghan wearing it (provided permission is given, and I imagine this is likely).
Regards,
Mike
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life.
[Proverbs 14:27]
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10th August 12, 08:34 PM
#36
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle
For what it is worth, I like the idea of a Scottish Islamic tartan, and it would be great to see some pictures, in due course, of Meghan wearing it (provided permission is given, and I imagine this is likely).
Regards,
Mike
Insha'Allah ;)
Last edited by Meggers; 11th August 12 at 08:01 AM.
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