Questions about jackets and vests?

**tweedhead** · 1st July 16, 04:41 PM

And before anyone grows faint, don't worry. Those shirts will never be worn with a kilt

**OC Richard** · 1st July 16, 06:41 PM

I've seen shirts quite like that worn with kilts, and no-one grew faint, as best I can recall.

There's a Steampunk-kilt sort of thing I've often seen, with brocades and velvets and all sorts of rich colourful fabrics on shirts and waistcoats and jackets worn with the kilt.

**Nathan** · 4th July 16, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

Just so you know, it is also very bad form to have an overly large tie knot. The windsor knot is also regarded with grave suspicion by many of the old school too!

So what's the knot of choice by those in the know, Jock? Is it the FIH?

**Jock Scot** · 5th July 16, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by Nathan

So what's the knot of choice by those in the know, Jock? Is it the FIH?

Until I joined this website I had no idea what the tie knot I use was called. In fact, I still don't know for sure, but yes, I think Four in Hand is what it is called.

A wee story. I have tied a windsor knot three times in my life and on each occasion the reception was quiet apoplexy, from three significant people in my life, my father(a retired senior Officer RN), my headmaster( a renowned sharp dresser) and my C.O.( a mild mannered chap who could spot a button out of place at thousand yards). Each time the statement of "its just not done" was consistent and very firm!

**The Q** · 5th July 16, 02:48 AM

When at school teachers were just happy, I had some sort of Knot on the tie and it was in the Correct place. When In the RAF I was pulled up several times for not wearing a Windsor Knot. When I said I didn't know how, they would either tell me I was lying, or tell me to find someone to teach me. But no one would..
So in my 12 years I always wore a 4 in hand ( having now found out what the knot is called.) Luckily as I was qualified on Radar, we were either working or Sleeping off nights for half the time, so unable to get to all parade practices, it was extremely rare I did parades, outside of training twice I think...

**Nathan** · 5th July 16, 04:31 AM

Fascinating. It was the mandatory tie knot in the dress regulations of the Army cadets and Canadian Armed forces. The full windsor is specified clearly and diagramed in the dress regs.

I've altered my knot based on the collar spread and thickness of the tie opting for FIH with thicker ties.

Now that I know of this shibboleth, I shall have to alter habits a bit, especially whilst kilted.

**Jock Scot** · 5th July 16, 05:28 AM

In my experience thicker ties can end up with a knot of a size that might cause a sharp intake of breath from those that think these things matter. Tie knots too large, or too small will not do for them!

**Nathan** · 5th July 16, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

In my experience thicker ties can end up with a knot of a size that might cause a sharp intake of breath from those that think these things matter. Tie knots too large, or too small will not do for them!

I agree with this. While a Windsor can make a huge knot on a bulky tie with a wide blade, the four in hand can make a fairly small knot on a tie with a narrow blade.

Nathan