Kilts Scottish only??

[Ruanaidh]

"Consider too how 'English' families took root in Scotland and became more Scottish than the Scots: a good example here would be the House of Windsor which has very closely linked itself to Scotland: Balmoral, special tartans etc."

The House of Windsor is not a good example of 'English families' since they are Germans (Saxe-Coberg-Gotha).

[macwilkin]

"Consider too how 'English' families took root in Scotland and became more Scottish than the Scots: a good example here would be the House of Windsor which has very closely linked itself to Scotland: Balmoral, special tartans etc."

The House of Windsor is not a good example of 'English families' since they are Germans (Saxe-Coberg-Gotha).

Well...to say that the House of Windsor is a "German" family is in error as well, since there is quite a bit of Scots blood through Queen Victoria, Stuart to be exact -- and don't forget that the late Queen Mother (may she rest in peace) Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, was born in Scotland and was related to Scottish royalty.

And considering how many English folks have "German" blood, ie Anglo-Saxon... ;)

Cheers,

Todd

[highlander_Daz]

Queen mother was born in London but her father was the earl of Strathmore, she is regarded as a Scot.

[macwilkin]

Queen mother was born in London but her father was the earl of Strathmore, she is regarded as a Scot.

I stand corrected, Daz! :mrgreen:

HM the Queen Mother always thought of herself as Scottish; one oft-told story goes that during a visit to South Africa (before Apartheid), a Dutch Boer woman complained to the Queen Mother about terrible the English were to the Boers -- she reportedly replied, "We have problems with them in Scotland as well!"

T.

[highlander_Daz]

She was an amazing lady, she insited on staying in London during the heaviest bombings despite Buckingham palace being bombed "so look the east end in the eye" She had her own Highland retreat and her own piper, I remeber her funeral for the massed pipers.

[Ruanaidh]

Well...to say that the House of Windsor is a "German" family is in error as well, since there is quite a bit of Scots blood through Queen Victoria, Stuart to be exact -- and don't forget that the late Queen Mother (may she rest in peace) Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, was born in Scotland and was related to Scottish royalty.

And considering how many English folks have "German" blood, ie Anglo-Saxon... ;)

Cheers,

Todd

Granted, the Queen Mum was Scottish (and the only one of the lot I could really stand) but please don't count on Queen Victoria for Stuart blood. One would have to go back to George I's grandmother, Elizabeth Stuart (1596-1662) for that. All of Victoria's other ancestors were German and Dutch. George V spoke English with a German accent and the Duke of Windsor was, like much of the family, was fluent in German. William & Harry come off a little better since Dianne was a descendant of Charles II.

[macwilkin]

Granted, the Queen Mum was Scottish (and the only one of the lot I could really stand) but please don't count on Queen Victoria for Stuart blood. One would have to go back to George I's grandmother, Elizabeth Stuart (1596-1662) for that. All of Victoria's other ancestors were German and Dutch. George V spoke English with a German accent and the Duke of Windsor was, like much of the family, was fluent in German. William & Harry come off a little better since Dianne was a descendant of Charles II.

You might want to read Charles Mackinnon's "Scottish Highlanders" then. He devotes an entire chapter to Victoria's (Protestant) Stuart bloodline.

Besides, ALL the major European Royal Houses were/are related to Victoria in some way. Now we're down to "splitting hairs".

I believe the point that was being made was that the Royal Family has adopted many Scottish customs and traditions, such as the kilt and tartan, as have other "foreigners" who have been assimilated into Scottish society, such as the aforementioned Bruces, et al.

Sorry to get off-track here.

T.

[starbkjrus]

She was an amazing lady, she insited on staying in London during the heaviest bombings despite Buckingham palace being bombed "so look the east end in the eye" She had her own Highland retreat and her own piper, I remeber her funeral for the massed pipers.

E R II is not my favorite monarch but the Queen Mum certainly had a personality (Also nods toward Prince and Princess Michael of Kent)

I'd love to visit the Queen Mother's Highland retreat but even when I visit Scotland Thurso is SO far north. And me without a Royal Train.

[bubba]

Besides, ALL the major European Royal Houses were/are related to Victoria in some way. Now we're down to "splitting hairs".T.

Wouldn't that be splitting heirs?

[GMan]

Wouldn't that be splitting heirs?

Groan!