Jabots

**Dale Seago** · 30th March 12, 08:38 PM

Don't have any pics, but in addition to an ivory one, I've occasionally worn one in black lace. Only with circa-1740s attire, though.

**Bugbear** · 30th March 12, 09:24 PM

I seem to remember a discussion about the true silk jabots being a cream color; Spanish silk, if I recall.
* Perhaps it was Spanish silk lace. *

How about pin-stones for the neck area of the jabot?

**creagdhubh** · 31st March 12, 05:31 AM

I like to see the jabot in only ivory or white.

**Bugbear** · 31st March 12, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

Ivory or white.

All right, what is the difference between ivory and white?

**artificer** · 31st March 12, 01:26 PM

Ivory has a slighty (yellowish-beige) butter-creme tone to it, depending on just whose interpretation of ivory is used.

White is WHITE.

Don't ever ask a designer or colourist about the billion shades of white-ivory-egg shell-etc. You'll be there for TWO eternities.

You have been warned.

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**Bugbear** · 31st March 12, 01:46 PM

I'm sorry, I meant to ask the difference between cream and ivory.

I had brought up the discussion of cream colored silk jabots, but it was, perhaps, ivory rather than cream. Sorry about that.

**artificer** · 31st March 12, 02:03 PM

No worries, there is a LOT of overlap between what people call creme and ivory. REAL Ivory can be anything from bone (white with a slight beige cast) through actual beige or a very yellowish, almost parchment-like colour. Usually the colour is described as white with a very light, slighly beige-yellow cast to it.

Creme would be a little warmer, with a bit more yellow but none of the beige.

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**Bugbear** · 31st March 12, 07:11 PM

Thanks for explaining that, artificer.

**creagdhubh** · 2nd April 12, 06:37 AM

I think Chas looks very smart indeed, yet without attempting to be overly critical, I must say that I dislike seeing a waistcoat worn with a coatee, or perhaps some sort of mess jacket, fall far beneath the bottom part of the coatee itself. It just doesn't look right to my eye.

Rather, I like for my evening waistcoat to be at least 1-2 inches above the very bottom of the coatee, or short-cut jacket and the absolute longest I'd go is for the very bottom part of the waistcoat to be level with the very bottom part of the coatee, but even that looks wee bit odd to my eye. See below for visual examples of what I prefer - and this is my own opinion of course and not a personal affront on Chas in any way - consider it 'constructive' criticism!

Photos courtesy of Kinloch-Anderson.

Cheers,

**Chas** · 6th April 12, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by creagdhubh

I think Chas looks very smart indeed, yet without attempting to be overly critical, I must say that I dislike seeing a waistcoat worn with a coatee, or perhaps some sort of mess jacket, fall far beneath the bottom part of the coatee itself. It just doesn't look right to my eye.

Rather, I like for my evening waistcoat to be at least 1-2 inches above the very bottom of the coatee, or short-cut jacket and the absolute longest I'd go is for the very bottom part of the waistcoat to be level with the very bottom part of the coatee, but even that looks wee bit odd to my eye. See below for visual examples of what I prefer - and this is my own opinion of course and not a personal affront on Chas in any way - consider it 'constructive' criticism!

Cheers,

Kyle, I agree.

Can you notice in the first picture how my left sleeve seems to be twisted? That is because it is! The weight of the flyplaid was pulling the coatee up and backwards. In one of the pictures I am giving the Toast to the Lasses and my left hand is firmly latched onto the coatee front to hold it down.

Just one of the many dangers of wearing a flyplaid!

Regards

Chas