Which tartan for MacClive?

[MacCorquodale]

Ahh ok, thanks for the clarification.

I think I'll attempt to contact Mr. Smith and see if I can find out where the connection comes from.

Thanks.

[MacCorquodale]

You can choose to believe his research or not as it suits you.

I should clarify who that "someone on the internet" is because he is likely too modest to do so. Without casting aspersions on Mr. Smith, figheadair's (Peter MacDonald) credentials rival those of anyone involved in the study of tartan. Mr. MacDonald has been consulted by museums, films and more for his expertise on the subject and he worked with Mr. Smith at the Scottish Tartans Authority. If he says that the Smith book is looked at cynically in academic circles, I would trust his judgement. There are economic motivations to linking everyone who wants to buy a tartan with a tartan that can sometimes play fast and loose with history. The very notion of a tartan for every clan is revisionist history itself although it has caught on over 200 years.

Peter is cited all over the Scottish Tartans Authority Website and you can find out more about his work here:

http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/

Mr. Smith may be correct. He might have used the same logic as I did linguistically or found some other compelling evidence but if the Stewarts don't have any record of McClives in their history and the Campbell of Airds was upset at having names erroneously "attached" to his clan by Mr. Smith, I'd look for some corroborating evidence. You've been looking for 20 years, and I've been looking for a few days and so far, there's nothing out there to substantiate Smith's claim beyond doubt.

Okay, this quote above confuses me a bit more. Is the Scottish Tartans Authority to be trusted when they show MacClive being Stewart of Appin or not?

Is there a way to contact the Scottish Tartans Authority and see where they get the link from?

Sorry, I'm really not trying to be difficult.

[Downunder Kilt]

The Scottish Tartans Authority has, and has had in the past, numerous scholars doing research for them. Just like a library, when a later scholar does some research, you do not throw out all the books/papers of the old scholars. Just because people have differing opinions, galvenised from their research, it is up to the reader, perhaps through their own reasearch, to put their own value on the results. In relation to septs/families of Scottish clans, there are no absolutes. Read enough lists and you could find your family name mentioned under half a dozen clans. Cheers

Here is a link to the STA home page, address, phone and contact email at bottom of the page. http://www.tartansauthority.com/

[Nathan]

Okay, this quote above confuses me a bit more. Is the Scottish Tartans Authority to be trusted when they show MacClive being Stewart of Appin or not?

Is there a way to contact the Scottish Tartans Authority and see where they get the link from?

Sorry, I'm really not trying to be difficult.

The Scottish Tartans Authority tells you right at the point of search to be careful trusting the results of the surname search. Let me quote their page (bold mine):

"IMPORTANT NOTES
Caveat Emptor. Tartan research has never been an exact science and even though the Tartan Ferret uses the most authoritative source in the world - the STA's International Tartan Index - there are bound to be errors and omissions. If you come across such or you can provide further information on a tartan to enhance the historical record, please do contact us We must also point out that reliance on any information supplied on tartans in the ITI is, in line with our Terms & Conditions, entirely at your own risk."

When I clicked on the terms and conditions, I came across this one that was relevant, again - bold mine.

"Accuracy of Website Information
19. The Website Information is provided "as is" and we make no representation, endorsement or warranty as to its accuracy. We will not be liable for any action taken (or not taken) in reliance upon the Website Information and such action is taken entirely at your own risk. We reserve the right to make changes to the Website Information to correct any errors or omissions (or for other reasons at our discretion) without notice and without liability to you. We cannot guarantee an exact colour match against any photography or images used on our website as your browser software and display may reproduce the colours of the photographs or images differently from ours.

20. It is a feature of our website that much of the Website Information is contributed to us by many different third parties and we do not control those parties or their information. We do not independently verify the information provided to us from contributors to the register of tartans comprising the international tartans index. External websites to which we provide hypertext links are not under our control and we take no responsibility for their content. Inclusion of a link to another website does not imply, or constitute, any endorsement by us of the referenced site or of any person associated with that site.

21. Opinions expressed within the Website Information are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent our opinions. In the unlikely event that you find any inaccurate information on our Website or have any complaint about what we have published please e-mail enquiries@tartansauthority.com. We will investigate on receipt and take such action which we, in our sole discretion, determine as being appropriate having regard to all the circumstances."

[MacCorquodale]

Hmm, I just did a search on Scotland's people and found my Grandfather Ian Robert was born in Fraserburgh in 1907, not Ayrshire. That must just be the port they left from.

Don't know if this adds anything?

[MacCorquodale]

Doh!

The Scottish Tartans Authority tells you right at the point of search to be careful trusting the results of the surname search. Let me quote their page (bold mine):

"IMPORTANT NOTES
Caveat Emptor. Tartan research has never been an exact science and even though the Tartan Ferret uses the most authoritative source in the world - the STA's International Tartan Index - there are bound to be errors and omissions. If you come across such or you can provide further information on a tartan to enhance the historical record, please do contact us We must also point out that reliance on any information supplied on tartans in the ITI is, in line with our Terms & Conditions, entirely at your own risk."

When I clicked on the terms and conditions, I came across this one that was relevant, again - bold mine.

"Accuracy of Website Information
19. The Website Information is provided "as is" and we make no representation, endorsement or warranty as to its accuracy. We will not be liable for any action taken (or not taken) in reliance upon the Website Information and such action is taken entirely at your own risk. We reserve the right to make changes to the Website Information to correct any errors or omissions (or for other reasons at our discretion) without notice and without liability to you. We cannot guarantee an exact colour match against any photography or images used on our website as your browser software and display may reproduce the colours of the photographs or images differently from ours.

20. It is a feature of our website that much of the Website Information is contributed to us by many different third parties and we do not control those parties or their information. We do not independently verify the information provided to us from contributors to the register of tartans comprising the international tartans index. External websites to which we provide hypertext links are not under our control and we take no responsibility for their content. Inclusion of a link to another website does not imply, or constitute, any endorsement by us of the referenced site or of any person associated with that site.

21. Opinions expressed within the Website Information are those of the authors and do not necessarily represent our opinions. In the unlikely event that you find any inaccurate information on our Website or have any complaint about what we have published please e-mail enquiries@tartansauthority.com. We will investigate on receipt and take such action which we, in our sole discretion, determine as being appropriate having regard to all the circumstances."

[Nathan]

You could contact some of your cousins around Glasgow and ask them what tartan they wear...

http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcclive/

[MacCorquodale]

Yeah, I found that site years ago and sent some emails but there hasn't been any answers or action on that site in many years.

You could contact some of your cousins around Glasgow and ask them what tartan they wear...

http://genforum.genealogy.com/mcclive/

[Nathan]

The stuff on this website is probably the result of your enquiry but perhaps not. The "Mac" who runs this website also claims McClive is an official sept of Stewart of Appin. I'm not sure who he is though.

http://www.scottishtradingcompany.co...php?expand=434

[MacCorquodale]

Yeah, that was the very first site in all the years of searching, mostly the internet, that I have found anything.

Just for some background; my dad died back in 1995 and died while homeless and pretty much a hopeless alcoholic and insane. Needless to say I didn't have much contact with him at the time. I didn't even meet him until I was around 7 and then really only saw him here and there over the next 12 years or so.

I lost touch with my grandmother McClive when I was 17 or so and lost contact with her due to my uncle and my mom hating each other and him keeping her from talking to me due to his worrying he would have to deal with my crazy mother and my father's problems at the time.

So, this is the reason I don't have much to go on.

The reason I'd like to honor that side is that as you, my understanding has always been that that is how it is done. Plus I did have lots of contact with my grandmother from a young age and by her account my Grandfather was a hell of a man and loved by all.

The stuff on this website is probably the result of your enquiry but perhaps not. The "Mac" who runs this website also claims McClive is an official sept of Stewart of Appin. I'm not sure who he is though.

http://www.scottishtradingcompany.co...php?expand=434