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31st March 15, 01:00 PM
#41
Thanks, John Carrick – but one of the things I love about the peripheral regions of the IroBritish islands (= everything north of the Trent and/or west of the Severn/Wye?) is the enjoyment of sarcasm and inappropriate humour
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1st April 15, 08:11 PM
#42
Originally Posted by OC Richard
By a strange irony, although Anglican is the global term to cover Episcopal/Church of England/Church of Ireland, those in America who call themselves Anglican are normally either members of breakaway churches that are more conservative than the mother church in that they don't want to ordain women and/or gays, or they are members of the Church of Nigeria, which is the genuine affiliate of the Anglican church in Nigeria that has similar conservative views and has accepted some conservative congregations that happen to be in America and not Nigeria. Oddly enough, those congregations are full of white people, but of course their presiding bishop is black, like most Nigerians are, so some might say they are homophobic and/or misogynist (although they would say it was for religious reasons) but at least nobody could call them racist.
I'm an atheist myself, but am from England, where Anglicans are established as the national religion (although in practice that means very little, it being centuries since attendance was compulsory).
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1st April 15, 11:08 PM
#43
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
I'm an atheist myself, but am from England, where Anglicans are established as the national religion (although in practice that means very little, it being centuries since attendance was compulsory).
Hansard 11 Feb 1842 reports the end of compulsory Church attendance, although for British Armed forces it was not until 1946.
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2nd April 15, 01:12 AM
#44
Thanks OC Richard! Yes, I know Albion's Seed, but not the other book, Old Irish and Highland Dress: it goes onto my to-read list.
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Originally Posted by OC Richard
FinnKilt you might already have, or if you don't you might be interested, in two of my favourite books
Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways In America
by David Hackett Fischer
Old Irish & Highland Dress
by H F McClintock
The former is hands-down the best analysis and history of the original British settlements of America which even today underlie our regional differences in speech, food, politics, onomastics, etc. It's Anglocentric however, using "North Britain" for Scotland just as was in vogue in Britain a couple hundred years ago.
The latter is the best thing I've seen on the original indigenous Irish dress and early Highland dress.
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2nd April 15, 04:38 PM
#45
Originally Posted by The Q
Hansard 11 Feb 1842 reports the end of compulsory Church attendance, although for British Armed forces it was not until 1946.
I think as a practical matter it had ended long before that
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4th April 15, 08:54 AM
#46
Colin, your thread-opener is magnificent, text, references, photo, anecdotes, WOW!
Understanable in this mind, the Irish might desire to adopt a variant of Scottish dress style; 'made them look less like Englishmen, which may have been "highly valued."
The line about adopting a picturesque charachter in one's chosen mode of dress is pure poetry. 'Must look up some of the sources cited.
Thank you.
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4th April 15, 12:36 PM
#47
Originally Posted by James Hood
Colin, your thread-opener is magnificent, text, references, photo, anecdotes, WOW!
Understanable in this mind, the Irish might desire to adopt a variant of Scottish dress style; 'made them look less like Englishmen, which may have been "highly valued."
The line about adopting a picturesque charachter in one's chosen mode of dress is pure poetry. 'Must look up some of the sources cited.
Thank you.
You're very welcome, James. Thanks for your kind words.
Over the years, the topic of Irish kilts has led to some very heated discussions on Xmarks. I'm pleased that my thread-opener has been less contentious int:
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- Justitia et fortitudo invincibilia sunt
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14th April 15, 07:07 AM
#48
Originally Posted by O'Callaghan
Oddly enough, those congregations are full of white people, but of course their presiding bishop is black, like most Nigerians are, so some might say they are homophobic and/or misogynist (although they would say it was for religious reasons) but at least nobody could call them racist.
1. What does this have to do with kilts in Ireland (or anywhere else)?
2. I don't find it to be in the least bit odd that people of different races who have the same religious convictions be in the same church.
3. Having stated that these churches are "full of white people," I have to guess as to what study you could possibly cite and to which of these parishes in the US you have actually been.
Join a message board about kilts, a dog breed, or training monkeys. After about a dozen posts you'll know which posters do crossfit, which ones are vegans and which ones are atheists.
Thanks for letting me know what you think about somebody else's religion. Now can we get back to talking about kilts?
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