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1st September 22, 06:51 AM
#561
Fish or Fowl?
Interesting. I have what appears to be an identical sporran, right down to the Made in Scotland label on the back. I bought it in an online auction. Of course here in the States, you can wear anything you want, but I'm curious. Obviously this is appropriate for a pipe band, but does it fit elsewhere in Highland dress? Could it be worn with daywear or evening wear, or is it neither fish nor fowl?
Dave
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3rd September 22, 03:54 AM
#562
Good question, and the answer depends on one's feelings about "traditional Highland Dress" versus "post-traditional Highland Dress" (for lack of a better term).
Because in traditional Highland Dress (as it emerged around WWI) there's a near-total demarcation betweed "day" and "evening" dress and nothing in between. The catalogues of the 1920s and 1930s even recommend different kilts for Day and Eve (fine Saxony for evening, heavy worsted for day) but I recognise that the catalogues' job is to sell things.
In traditional Highland Dress leather sporrans were brown and for Day, end of story. Taking off in the 1970s the Kilt Hire Industry and the Pipe Band world combined to create a demand for black leather sporrans using the old Day patterns (often with chrome "evening" elements added) to go with their new hybrid Day/Eve outfits based around the black Argyll jacket (pipe bands) or the black Prince Charlie (kilt hire) and white hose.
Just why the Pipe Band world leapt on that particular style, Hunting sporran in black with chrome top, who can say. My theory is that it combined ruggedness (no tassels to fall off, no fur to wear off) with a bit of shiny bling.
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3rd September 22, 03:57 AM
#563
Speaking of "semi-dress" sporrans, here's quite a bargain especially for US buyers, a Nicoll Brothers black leather sporran with seal front for well under $50. It seems in great condition.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17540306652...tion=10%7C3000
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3rd September 22, 04:16 AM
#564
Originally Posted by OC Richard
Well alright, individual perceptions will differ and perceptions across the Atlantic may differ even more. That is a rather inconvenient fact of life on occasion.
For me, I might happily spend £50 on the sporran and then burn it! To my rather jaundiced eye those sporrans of that style are an insult to Scottish attire. They are built down to a price where quality and artistic effect are non existent.
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3rd September 22, 05:20 AM
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3rd September 22, 06:12 AM
#566
Originally Posted by Jock Scot
Well alright, individual perceptions will differ and perceptions across the Atlantic may differ even more. That is a rather inconvenient fact of life on occasion.
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I think the above covers the situation perfectly.
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3rd September 22, 06:18 AM
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Perhaps just a tad 'vaudeville-ish'.
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22nd September 22, 03:53 AM
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For much less than the price of one Janet Eagleton sporran, you get two, plus a possible William Scott (Edinburgh) sporran, and what I think are four Pakistani ones.
A lot of 7 for $140.
The style isn't my cup of tea, modern "semi-dress" black leather Day sporrans with Evening Dress tassels.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/30463533096...tion=10%7C3000
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24th September 22, 03:56 AM
#569
A lovely Nicoll Bros (Bankfoot) grey seal Evening sporran with the pierced "EW3" cantle.
Seemingly in perfect condition, at a great price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/18559213696...tion=10%7C3000
Interesting to compare two EW3 (pierced Celtic knots, three bosses) sporrans, one from W E Scott (Edinburgh) and the Nicoll Bros (Bankfoot) currently on Ebay.
Nicoll Bros used both standard cantles and styles perhaps unique to them. Their EW4 cantle (Celtic knot, three bosses) and EW3 cantle (the same, but pierced knots) had the knots directly on a flat cantle front, while the cantle used by W E Scott and several other makers (presumably made by D&N Birmingham) had elongated pointy knots within borders.
Note also that while both makers appear to use same cast side bosses, the central boss is smaller and flatter on Nicoll Bros cantles.
You can also see the wide round W E Scott sporran body in contrast to the narrow somewhat straight-sided Nicoll Bros sporran body.
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5th October 22, 03:56 AM
#570
Another Nicoll Bros sporran, a bit above the price range I'm usually looking for at $130 but still a bargain for a top-quality Scottish-made sporran by a maker no longer around.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/17543748894...tion=10%7C3000
There was a fad here in California around the 1990s for Pipe Bands to wear black Evening sporrans with white tassels, part of the effort to eliminate all colour from the uniform except for the kilt, everything else being black or white.
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