Underkilt

[KiltedBishop]

gotta love a guy who can make a wallet chain look classy! LOL

[Big Paul]

gotta love a guy who can make a wallet chain look classy! LOL

Big time!

[Rigged]

In America the word "skirt" perhaps has a different connotation.

[Kiltman]

I wear a kilt because I like to wear a kilt. Even if it were called a skirt, I'd still be wearing it. Hamish is spot on. A few years ago earrings were not worn by men. A few years before that they were worn by men. Today some men wear them and some don't. I hope the same will soon be able to be said of skirts, kilts or whatever name we use.

[Jerry]

yeh ive been in TFCKs shop and they do some cool stuff, however Im a bit of a stick in the mud and like my Tartan kilts, why try and reinvent the wheel !!!

I felt exactly the same way until I saw a guy at The Potomac Celtic Festival wearing a black TFCK. It looked really sharp. It had three buckles like a traditional tartaned kilt, and had none of the rivets or pockets like UKs and such. I still do not like the UKs and others like them, but I really liked the look of that TFCK. It kind of looked like a traditional from which the tartan had been removed and replaced with solid black.

[JDEZ]

In the 1500's, What did the Scots call a woman's skirt? I bet that since the women of that time period probably wore dresses, there was no name for such a garment other than "kilt". Women were probably not encouraged to wear men's clothing then (I suppose unless disguised as young boys to evade invading marauders). Does anyone know about this bit of trivia?

To me, kilts are like golf. It was not too many years ago (around the 1970's) that golf was out of fashion for all but the elderly. I think kilts went through the same down period in history. For some time, they were only seen on what I thought of then as the elderly types and only on rare occasion in formal cultural settings. Now there are golf courses everywear and probably 100 times more kilt options than in the 70's.

I think what happened is that through world wars and economic upheaval, the resulting baby-boomer generation wanted further separation from the past. I'm sure this has happened throughout history time and time again. And will continue to happen.

Blue Jeans, which most of the Western world now wears as fashion, were considered by the pre-ware generation as "lowly workman's attire". It took more than 100 years for this style of utility clothing to become a desirable fashion item.

My point is, that fashion (and what people consider utilitywear ) tends to cycle through time. - Usually through generational rebellions. There will probably be a time over the next few generations were the idea of men wearing pants will only be seen in old photographs and movies.

BTW: GG, great idea on the regarding your thoughts about the underkilt. Thanks for making a sketch. I will make one up next week with slits up the sides. From reading people's thoughts about it, I think we will probably use the term "base layer" in our marketing. It actually works pretty well with our products in that regard since we use lightweight fabrics. - Weather is getting cold and damp now in Seattle. I am sure it will work well for some of the lightweight kilts on the market.

-- Dave

[Sherry]

In the 1500's, What did the Scots call a woman's skirt? I bet that since the women of that time period probably wore dresses, there was no name for such a garment other than "kilt". Women were probably not encouraged to wear men's clothing then (I suppose unless disguised as young boys to evade invading marauders). Does anyone know about this bit of trivia?

...-- Dave

They wore an arisaid:
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com...h/arisaid.html

http://www.lindaclifford.com/Arisaid.html

And just for everyone's info, I just discovered a modern version:
http://www.houseoftartan.co.uk/Weddi...tish/wear.html

Sherry

[Riverkilt]

Welcome Dave, thanks for your efforts at producing something that not too long ago on this board we were wondering why didn't exist.

My interest was because I sit for a living and figured no matter how hygenic I was over time my kilts would experience the same thing that happens to bedding and sleeping bags. And, of course helmet chafing...though Bodyglide helps...just not sure I want Bodyglide rubbig off onto the inside of my kilts.

Do wish it were black though...we get enough hassle from kilts alone to have to answer to someone who may spot a flash of white low under our kilt.

And, congrats on taking on the challenge of a niche market with so many opinions there's no way you can win other than to take your best shot with what you think will sell.

Ron

[Rigged]

PPS. Someone said that a kilt could not be pleated on the front. Does anybody remember the original Utilikilt? It was a closed skirted garment, pleated all the way round.

Yes. I believe Steven changed the design so that it would be more kilt and less skirt.

Again I hear individual guys saying it doesn't matter whether it's called a kilt or a skirt. Fine if you're single and self-employed or retired.

Someday it won't matter, but right now, for most men, it does.

To get back to the topic, the Underkilt does seem a bit slip-like, but with a darker color and less constriction around the hips and legs, it could be a winner.

[Bil]

Look, there have been a LOT of great point made on this board. But I beleive that the original question is not whether this guy is selling kilts or not but rather would we buy one of these "under kilts". While I am not a big fan of the idea of me wearing one, I am all for someone else giving it a go.

These things appear a little too long and resrtictive for me. I like the idea of it being darker and being slit up the sides, purely out for reasons of practicality. But even if this were that case, I would personally not wear one. I don't like wearing anything under my kilt, and if I ever find a need to (ie. competing in the games or brisk weather) I turn to black boxer briefs for comfort, stealth, and retail availability.

So rock on if this is your bag. And if it's not, let's stay on topic and just say so. For me, it's not my bag. Discussing if the other things he sells should be called kilts should be saved for another string... but I think we have beat that subject to death already.