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20th June 07, 07:35 PM
#51
Todd,
I agree with you, but in doing so you've reminded me of something I've been over looking. One of my Gray ancesters was crowned Queen of Enland for two weeks. Unfortuneately it was a short reign, she was beheaded at the tower.
That would mean that the Grays would be entitled to wear the Stewart - or not? Not that I plan to rush out and buy a Stewart, but I could always think about it.
Unfortuneately we have no clan chief. The clan chief of the Campbells is a barrel-named (double-named) Chief. He would also be Chief of the Grays. Even with both names he is prohibited from being officially recognized to be the chief of both. I'm told he chose to be chief of the Campbells.
Last edited by Don Patrick; 20th June 07 at 07:46 PM.
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21st June 07, 02:57 AM
#52
Lady Jane Grey was not descended from the Stewarts, her mother was Frances Brandon, the daughter of Henry VIII's sister Mary. Another sister of Henry VIII, Margaret, did marry into the Stewarts however. Henry's will had excluded her from the succession although she, being older, would have had the better claim.
Jane therefore was only related to the Stewarts through her great aunt.
Jane refused the crown but was told to try it on by her parents and did so out of a sense of filial duty, but she never had a proper coronation.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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21st June 07, 07:01 AM
#53
McClef,
You certainly know the Grays! I didn't realize how well known that fact was - since it's said she was Queen of England for only nine days in 1553. I had understood it was her father that caused the problem.
I put Campbell in my previous post, but began having some mild doubts about that - now I can't seem to find my notes on the matter.
Guess I can forget about the Stewart Tartan.
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21st June 07, 07:19 AM
#54
I thought that if you wore another clans tartan you had to wear it with the pleats in front to indicated you were backing into the privilege.
Bad pun
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21st June 07, 07:28 AM
#55
Chris,
As I move from one thread to the other, I keep finding things that lighten up my day. You caugh me off guard with this one. I'm still laughing. I like it.
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21st June 07, 07:34 AM
#56
Don,
Jane is well-known over here in the UK, one of those facts that "every schoolboy knows"
But I did a lot of reading up on the Tudors and the Stewarts for my own interest anyway.
Wiki is quite good on Jane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jane_Grey
And if you like movies I can recommend Lady Jane starring Helena Bonham-Carter and Cary Elwes with Patrick Stewart playing Jane's father.
That's the only real Stewart connection
But the Stewart tartans are considered universal anyway so don't let the Grey unrelatedness put you off.
[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="1"]Reverend Earl Trefor the Sublunary of Kesslington under Ox, Venerable Lord Trefor the Unhyphenated of Much Bottom, Sir Trefor the Corpulent of Leighton in the Bucket, Viscount Mcclef the Portable of Kirkby Overblow.
Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
(Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Cornwall, Isle of Man and Brittany forever - united in the Kilts!)[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]
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21st June 07, 09:30 AM
#57
RULZ? We don't need no steengking Rulz.
Go, have fun, don't work at, make it fun! Kilt them, for they know not, what they wear. Where am I now?
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