Kilt shirts

[Alaskan]

no smoke without fire, he must have had something to do with it.

Lisa Simpson: "That's like saying this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer Simpson: "How does it work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't, but do you see any tigers around here?"
Homer: "Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock."

Just because someone claims to have done something doesn't mean they did it. Rawlings probably didn't design the little kilt any more than St. Patrick got snakes out of Ireland. Bosses often take credit for the work and ideas of the men below them. And there is evidence of little kilts before Rawlings and his factory. Maybe Rawlings helped make the little kilt more popular, but that doesn't mean he invented it any more than St. Patrick invented Christianity. (Man, I can't come up with any other references today)

[phil h]

no smoke without fire, he must have had something to do with it.

Lisa Simpson: "That's like saying this rock keeps tigers away."
Homer Simpson: "How does it work?"
Lisa: "It doesn't, but do you see any tigers around here?"
Homer: "Lisa, I'd like to buy your rock."

Just because someone claims to have done something doesn't mean they did it. Rawlings probably didn't design the little kilt any more than St. Patrick got snakes out of Ireland. Bosses often take credit for the work and ideas of the men below them. And there is evidence of little kilts before Rawlings and his factory. Maybe Rawlings helped make the little kilt more popular, but that doesn't mean he invented it any more than St. Patrick invented Christianity. (Man, I can't come up with any other references today)

that settles it then, if homer says so.

[Graham]

Robbie, interesting post, thanks. I have a love for history, can you recommend any good books to read on the origin and evolution of the kilt?
Pref. books that are not too hard to come by.

thanks for any help.

[phil h]

Robbie, interesting post, thanks. I have a love for history, can you recommend any good books to read on the origin and evolution of the kilt?
Pref. books that are not too hard to come by.

thanks for any help.

here I got some for ya.
http://www.kinnaird.net/tartan.htm

http://www.genealassie.com/scotland.htm

http://www.tartanbystrathmore.co.uk/Pages/history.html
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com...ingjacket.html
http://web.archive.org/web/200202101...tiles_Page.htm
http://www.north-scotland.co.uk/

hope this helps

[Graham]

Thanks Phil, still wading thru it all.
One site you gave makes this claim:

There is no such thing as an ancient tartan associated with a particular clan

that's a bold statement, but I'll read on, research and try to keep an open mind.

[highlandtide]

I am going to settle this once and for all!

I invented the kilt in 1980 while at a Flock of Sea Gulls concert. It was me and Scottie from Star Trek. We also hacked all of the early computers to add to the history of kilts and planted evidence of kilts in Scotland, Austria and Djibouti on the East African coast (they just havent discovered theirs yet!) Once, b/c of my deception, I reached the rank of Major in the Salvation Army I figured that my prank would live forever!!!!

So that settles it!

[bubba]

Nice try. The kilt was invented by Grog MacOg when he wrapped an animal skin around himself. He discovered it prevented him from running freely from predators so, after recovering from his injuries, he added some tucks in the back to give his legs complete freedom of movement. The kilt was born. <G>

[phil h]

I am going to settle this once and for all!

I invented the kilt in 1980 while at a Flock of Sea Gulls concert. It was me and Scottie from Star Trek. We also hacked all of the early computers to add to the history of kilts and planted evidence of kilts in Scotland, Austria and Djibouti on the East African coast (they just havent discovered theirs yet!) Once, b/c of my deception, I reached the rank of Major in the Salvation Army I figured that my prank would live forever!!!!

So that settles it!

lol nice 1 bro, thanx for inventing the kilt.

[bear]

"Of course, ask an Irishman, and he will tell you that the kilt was actually an ancient garment from Ireland and only later brought into Scotland by migrating Gaels, and moreover the Irish also invented the bagpipes, whisky, and whatever else you care to name. Ask an Englishman and he will tell you how Thomas Rawlinson, an English native, invented the kilt in the 18th century!"

My intention was to show the biased nature of the article, and to question the author's objectivity. The quoted paragraph above is very telling as to the intent of the author. He is saying, "liar, liar, pants on fire," to anyone who disagrees with his viewpoint.
How are we to take seriously the rest of the article?

[phil h]

Thanks Phil, still wading thru it all.
One site you gave makes this claim:

There is no such thing as an ancient tartan associated with a particular clan

that's a bold statement, but I'll read on, research and try to keep an open mind.

key word "ancient", it's a modern thing