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20th December 07, 07:51 AM
#61
Originally Posted by Mike S
As a foot note: Like the "brother against brother" of many other wars, I wonder if these particular Glasgow Jewish soldiers in the WWI photo had to go up against the many German regiments staffed with Jewish/German soldiers in the first world war? But then, that is another topic.
They wouldn't have had to be German. My grandfather served in the Austro-Hungarian army during that war, so he could very well have been involved in combat with his co-religionists in the Scottish forces.
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20th December 07, 11:45 AM
#62
I've resisted posting a particular comment to this thread, because I don't want to steer the thread in another direction that might get me in trouble with the MODS.
But since when has a person’s religion had anything to do with national origin?
Why is it assumed that you can’t be Jewish AND Scottish?
I say this because I have two Jewish friends; one a MacDermit and another a MacTavish.
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20th December 07, 11:53 AM
#63
Originally Posted by James MacMillan
I've resisted posting a particular comment to this thread, because I don't want to steer the thread in another direction that might get me in trouble with the MODS.
But since when has a person’s religion had anything to do with national origin?
Why is it assumed that you can’t be Jewish AND Scottish?
I say this because I have two Jewish friends; one a MacDermit and another a MacTavish.
Perhaps we should all stick to the subject of tartans rather than delving into the subject of religion.
Todd
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20th December 07, 11:58 AM
#64
I think that this is where Jewish identity crosses the boundary of religious affiliation and ethnicity. Although argued by some, many--if not most--claim it as both, since it involves blood ties.
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20th December 07, 12:11 PM
#65
Originally Posted by James MacMillan
Why is it assumed that you can’t be Jewish AND Scottish?
I say this because I have two Jewish friends; one a MacDermit and another a MacTavish.
I don't think most of the posters are making that assumption, rather the question that's come up on this thread, and the other, is whether there's a tartan that has a special association with kilt wearers of the Jewish faith who are otherwise unaffiliated with a particular clan. Obviously your friends wouldn't face that dilemma. In that light its just another variant of the common question of "is there a tartan for me?"
Best regards,
Jake
[B]Less talk, more monkey![/B]
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20th December 07, 12:29 PM
#66
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
I think the idea of a "Jewish" tartan is faintly rediculous-- what next? Baptist tartan? Methodist tartan? And how soon before the ACLU demands an Athiest tartan? Really, the mind boggles.
A clear cut comparison is impossible, because of the shared history of the Jewish people. I think a Jewish tartan would be nice. I have read time and again on this thread that many in Scotland's Jewish population adopted the name Gordon. While they can and have worn this tartan with pride, I think it would be interesting if there were a more "personal" (I'm not sure if that's the word I'm loking for) tartan for them to commemorate this shared history.
It would also give Americans with Scottish and Jewish heritage another kilt to jones for
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20th December 07, 12:40 PM
#67
Maybe we should now say, to "gordon" for
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20th December 07, 01:00 PM
#68
This has been a fascinating discussion.
I happen to play in a Klezmer band, the only Gentile amongst my good friends and band members in the group. We have a lot of fun and the music is just a blast to play, and I have enjoyed every service at Congregation Etz Chayim that I've been to and always felt welcome there. I often play for Bar Mitzvahs and Purim with a kilt on. This never ceases to elicit some friendly ribbing, all in good fun. Whenever I play in Etz Chayim's house of worship I always cover my head (of course) and I've learned a lot about Jewish Culture from my experiences.
I've joked many a time about a Jewish Kilt, and covering my head with a tartan yarmulke! All righty then......a Gordon kilt, and some extra Gordon fabric from which to make a yarmulke just went on my wish list!
Thanks, everybody!
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20th December 07, 01:18 PM
#69
Originally Posted by TheKiltedWonder
A clear cut comparison is impossible, because of the shared history of the Jewish people. I think a Jewish tartan would be nice. I have read time and again on this thread that many in Scotland's Jewish population adopted the name Gordon. While they can and have worn this tartan with pride, I think it would be interesting if there were a more "personal" (I'm not sure if that's the word I'm loking for) tartan for them to commemorate this shared history.
It would also give Americans with Scottish and Jewish heritage another kilt to jones for
As the starter of this thread, and having read the entire fascinating thread, I think I have to agree with you. While the adopted Gordon tartan is good, I think something more focused specifically to Jews everywhere would be nice. Maybe someone can design one, and then go through the lengthy process of getting it recognized officially.
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20th December 07, 01:27 PM
#70
As the instigator of this thread I also agree, but would just warn you of how complicated a process this might be. I'm currently trying to get New York City to adopt officially the tartan given to it by the Scottish Weavers Association. Oy, the red tape!!
Now add to this the fact as to which central authority would one go to get formal accceptance of it. The Chasidim?
Besides, there's an old joke about decision making. Put four Jews in a room, and they'll come out with six positions.
So be prepared for quite a bit of arguing, whoever takes this on.
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