Have You Ever Been Falsly Accused of Flashing When Kilted?

[Yaish]

It's common sense lads. When out and about, when ladies or children are apt to be present, always wear underwear.

Why? I don't flash them without underwear, so what would be gained but some loss of comfort for me?

[Alaskan Kilted Guy]

I wear boxers under my kilt at work. Our clients are severely emotionally disturbed children. They are in services because of their behaviors. Who know when one will decide to see what is under my kilt. Well, if they do, all they will see is boxers. My job, as some have said before, is not worth a little extra comfort.

[McClef]

This thread is about false accusations and dealing with them and now it's turned into what people think will prevent them in the first place or what circumstances they feel would spare potential embarrassment.

From what I have read here it would appear that the wearing of underwear does not in itself prevent accusations of deliberate flashing from occurring and it is equally clear that nobody seeks to defend such deliberate action.

I am not aware that there has ever been a major issue about this in Scotland - all I can find in searches is to do with extremely deliberate flashing.

So maybe it's more an issue of culture. That makes it a much wider discussion. That involves interpretations of what is modest and what is not and what different people will find offensive. On such things a unanimous viewpoint is impossible.

[David Thornton]

Issue of culture, possibly, we are far less likely to wear a speedo to the beach than are the Europeans. But I would say more conditioning. I don't think American's are used to seeing kilts, don't know how to react, etc. I would suggest most of the false (thanks for making the clarification) accusations are manifestations of the sub-conscience (possibly conscience) objection to seeing men in kilts.

Submitted for your early morning meditations

David

[cessna152towser]

I can't say I have yet been accused of flashing, either falsely or otherwise. Much of the problems discussed here seem to stem from the public perception that kilts are always worn with no underwear. At Newcastle airport yesterday a young lady made very favourable comments about the denim Union kilt I was wearing, then ruined the whole effect by adding, but of course you couldn't wear it if you were flying today as you would show too much while going on board the aircraft.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Why? I don't flash them without underwear, so what would be gained but some loss of comfort for me?

How about loss of job or loss of liberty? Think about your comment for a minute. Now ask yourself if that is 100% true 100% of the time. Is it? When wearing trousers have you never forgotten to zip or button your fly? 100% of the time? Because, if a co-worker, or disgruntled person, wants to make an issue of it, go all the way, these are the sorts of questions you'd probably be asked. (Flashing, even "unintentional", can be construed as sexual harassment.)

And who is going to be believed?

Is the lady in HR really going to take the word of the office weirdo who wears a skirt to work, or is she more likely to believe the sales manager's PA?

How about the cop responding to the call from a distressed soccer mom complaining that there's this guy in a dress, sitting on a park bench, exposing himself to the kids? You can damn betcha you're going to have some explaining to do.

How's your comfort level now?

The world is a cruel and unfair place-- why set yourself up for potential trouble?

Like I said before: In the presence of ladies and children always wear underwear.

[McClef]

True you don't see many speedos in Baywatch and indeed I can remember a time when you only saw Americans in them when engaged swimming or diving competitions.

Conversely I can remember a time over here when the sight of baggy shorts for swimwear was almost unknown over here until they were seen as a fashion item.

These fashions even influence sports such as tennis and football.

I am no doubt that those who really have some violent objection to seeing men in kilts will find ways of expressing their disapproval in weird ways and these politically correct days make it even easier for them to do so.

If we were to allow such things to worry us over duly we would never dare wear them in public at all. Simple thoughtful precautions in how we sit etc. should be enough to cover the situational problem, preserve the mystique and force them to voice their objections some other way.

[sharpdressedscot]

How about loss of job or loss of liberty? Think about your comment for a minute. Now ask yourself if that is 100% true 100% of the time. Is it? When wearing trousers have you never forgotten to zip or button your fly? 100% of the time? Because, if a co-worker, or disgruntled person, wants to make an issue of it, go all the way, these are the sorts of questions you'd probably be asked. (Flashing, even "unintentional", can be construed as sexual harassment.)

And who is going to be believed?

Is the lady in HR really going to take the word of the office weirdo who wears a skirt to work, or is she more likely to believe the sales manager's PA?

How about the cop responding to the call from a distressed soccer mom complaining that there's this guy in a dress, sitting on a park bench, exposing himself to the kids? You can damn betcha you're going to have some explaining to do.

How's your comfort level now?

The world is a cruel and unfair place-- why set yourself up for potential trouble?

Like I said before: In the presence of ladies and children always wear underwear.

That and don't allow yourself into that position

[McClef]

At Newcastle airport yesterday a young lady made very favourable comments about the denim Union kilt I was wearing, then ruined the whole effect by adding, but of course you couldn't wear it if you were flying today as you would show too much while going on board the aircraft.

She has obviously never boarded an aircraft behind a man in a kilt or she was merely jesting as people do.

When wearing trousers have you never forgotten to zip or button your fly? 100% of the time? Because, if a co-worker, or disgruntled person, wants to make an issue of it, go all the way, these are the sorts of questions you'd probably be asked. (Flashing, even "unintentional", can be construed as sexual harassment.)

Applying logic here - a kilt saves us from having to remember that in the first place.

And who is going to be believed?

Is the lady in HR really going to take the word of the office weirdo who wears a skirt to work, or is she more likely to believe the sales manager's PA?

I think that would very much depend upon how the individuals are known as people. There are many office wierdos who are not kilted in the first place. And what if the PA is having an affair with her boss - would that not have an effect? Such "what ifs" are easy to create in our minds but much harder to create in reality.

How about the cop responding to the call from a distressed soccer mom complaining that there's this guy in a dress, sitting on a park bench, exposing himself to the kids? You can damn betcha you're going to have some explaining to do.

I am not sure what the soccer has to to with it but she would be the one with the problem in my book, seeing sickness and evil where it does not exist.

And if she doesn't even know the difference between a kilt and a dress she needs education. It is so easy to whip up hysteria by playing upon fear and ignorance.

The world is a cruel and unfair place-- why set yourself up for potential trouble?

Yes it is a cruel and unfair place in many ways but does that mean we give in and let it have its way? Do we have to let this potential scenario or that one dictate our lives? Too often we let exceptions make the rules and to eat away at reasonable freedoms. I have been kilted in the presence of ladies and children many times with no problems whatsoever and it wasn't by following an absolute rule.

[Tommie]

Yes it is a cruel and unfair place in many ways but does that mean we give in and let it have its way? Do we have to let this potential scenario or that one dictate our lives?

No we don't have to. Read the Quote below that i live by.