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[mcvarmit]

I'm wondering about the impact of "Deadwood" on CAS.
Has there been an increase in ridiculously foul language?

mr. finn, deadwood hasn't had much of an effect on SASS/CAS, as far as language goes. is the language ridiculously foul, not anymore than serving in the US armed forces or for that matter any countries armed forces. try not to turn this into a happy meal/ PBS special, sometimes things are just what they are.

semper fi

slick

USMC 1964-1967
RVN 1965-1967 sapper 3rd MAF

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

mr. finn, deadwood hasn't had much of an effect on SASS/CAS, as far as language goes. is the language ridiculously foul, not anymore than serving in the US armed forces or for that matter any countries armed forces. try not to turn this into a happy meal/ PBS special, sometimes things are just what they are.

Well this isn't about Happy Meals or PBS specials... when someone once complained to Hemingway about the "strong language" in one of his books he replied "Lady, that's how men talk when out hunting or playing golf." Fair enough, even though Hemingway's language was tepid by comparison to the dialog in DEADWOOD.

Now if the action in DEADWOOD was taking place in a major city today, the dialog might possibly be spot on. Maybe. But DEADWOOD isn't set in the 21st century, it's set in the 19th century in the decades immediately following the U.S. Civil War and, believe it or not, people didn't speak the same way back then, or even use the same words as some people do today. And they certainly didn't use the kind of language that was used by the characters on DEADWOOD. So yes, the language was gratuitously foul to the point of being ridiculous.

Aside from the absurdity of the DEADWOOD story arc, the language betrayed a lack of historical knowledge and a total lack of respect for the intelligence of the viewing audience on the part of the writers.

And no, at least in my limited exposure to CAS, DEADWOOD hasn't adversely affected the language of those involved in the sport, any more than serving in the military during WWI turned Hemingway into foul-mouthed hack.

Hollywood has rarely produced a film that accurately portrayed the Old West, and DEADWOOD is no exception.

[mcvarmit]

was never in deadwood or WW1 for that matter, so i really don't know what things were really like. lets agree to disagree. thanks for your reply.

semper fi

slick

[Finn]

Having seven years active duty under my belt, I can say that the language IS excessive. I swear prodigously and was astounded. I worked in truck stops for three years also.
I just couldn't get involved in the show. Was just wondering if its popularity affected the hobby.
Last of the Mohicans impacted F&I both negatively and for the good by opening interest.

[Joe Gondek]

I tried shooting CAS for awhile but got turned off by the following:
-non-historic costumes
-special shell holders on your gun belt that never existed in the old west
-carring your guns around in a little red wagon
-needing to have more guns than an average cowhand could afford to own in a life time
-everyone shooting smokeless powder instead of blackpowder loads
-people shooting really light loads and small calibers to gain an edge

I've been doing living History for over 30 years and know that I am tainted in the way I view things history related.(My wife won't go to a period movie with me anymore).

I also realize that CAS is a just game,but we have enough myths about how it was in the OLD WEST.We don't need people promoting new ones.

[Joe Gondek]

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Originally Posted by haxtonhouse
I live close to Redlodge, they do have a Scot's day in the early summer. I participate in mountain man rendezvous, and I wear a kilt. there were a few mountain men that wore kilts!

Who?
Sir william Drummond Stewart brought a suit of armor to Rendezvous but there is no mention of a kilt

Finn and Woodsheal beat me to it; while there were a number of Scots involved in the fur trade -- Alexander Mackenzie, John Rae, Simon MacTavish, etc. -- I have yet to see evidence of kilts being worn on a regular basis in the fur trade period. There are several stories of pipers playing at ceremonial dinners at forts, and to announce a company offical, but nothing is mentioned of their dress.

Finn is 100% correct in his statement that living history dress should be based on what was common.

I agree
lets stop making up history and presenting it to the public as gospel

[Joe Gondek]

After many years at it, I've kind of burned out on the traditional "reenactment" thing, especially all of the prep, loading, travel, set-up, etc.
So, I've been toying with the idea of selling all my reenactment gear and joining the local CAS outfit. I don't care about being an accurate and fast pistoleer. But, I'd shoot for fun, and really get into assembling an accurate western impression - I'm thinking a ca. 1870 ex-soldier turned bounty hunter, or some such....

Woodsheal

Be aware that after shooting muzzleloaders for so many years that it is hard to get used to bending over and policing your brass.

[mcvarmit]

Having seven years active duty under my belt, I can say that the language IS excessive. I swear prodigously and was astounded. I worked in truck stops for three years also. I just couldn't get involved in the show. Was just wondering if its popularity affected the hobby. Last of the Mohicans impacted F&I both negatively and for the good by opening interest.

Mr. Finn, i do wish to apologize for my statement, i spend 2 tours in RVN as a sapper, it more or less shaped my thoughts on the human race, and what people are capable of doing to one another. CAS is a very family friendly organization, its goal was never one of historical accuracy, it was supposed to be a take off on the 40's and 50's horse operas of that time period. its main goal has always been to have fun, and to be with some damn nice people. when Deadwood first appeared, some thought the language was over the top, others could have cared less. i've never been to a shoot that sounded like deadwood, alot of folks bring their families to these shooting, it would be i poor taste to swear in front of other members children. will it affect the sport? who knows, as of now it hasn't. i still swear like a drunken sailor. semper fi slick

[mcvarmit]

I tried shooting CAS for awhile but got turned off by the following:
-non-historic costumes
-special shell holders on your gun belt that never existed in the old west
-carring your guns around in a little red wagon
-needing to have more guns than an average cowhand could afford to own in a life time
-everyone shooting smokeless powder instead of blackpowder loads
-people shooting really light loads and small calibers to gain an edge

I've been doing living History for over 30 years and know that I am tainted in the way I view things history related.(My wife won't go to a period movie with me anymore).

I also realize that CAS is a just game,but we have enough myths about how it was in the OLD WEST.We don't need people promoting new ones.

Mr. Gondek, CAS was never about historical accuracy it was about hollywood horse operas. if you seek accuracy, try to attend a NCOW's shoot, these folks are really into historical accuracy.

semper fi

slick

[mcvarmit]

Mr. Rathdown, i do apologize for my statement about foul language. as far as hemmingway goes, i have to admit that "i don't know a damn thing about nothing", so you got me there. do events shape a persons life? they might, in my case they did.

semper fi

slick