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7th April 10, 08:49 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by Scotcop
I have worked there for 4 months, am the 6 senior person out of 15 employees when it comes to how long we have all worked there, this guy is new, around a month, and is going to be replacing the assistant manager.
Perhaps you are better qualified to take over the assistant manager position! And, if this situation is handled properly, that may be the outcome.
None of us know all of the details or the politics of your place of employment, so giving advice to you is a lot like trying to milk a bull (it's just not going to be productive)!
Good luck to you, and let us know how it turns out.
"When I wear my Kilt, God looks down with pride and the Devil looks up with envy." --Unknown
Proud Chief of Clan Bacon. You know you want some!
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7th April 10, 08:57 AM
#2
 Originally Posted by azwildcat96
None of us know all of the details or the politics of your place of employment, so giving advice to you is a lot like trying to milk a bull (it's just not going to be productive)!
OR, actually be productive but not of the product one was originally seeking.
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7th April 10, 09:20 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by ForresterModern
OR, actually be productive but not of the product one was originally seeking. 

Sorry, grew up around cattle folk.
I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…
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7th April 10, 02:21 PM
#4
 Originally Posted by Ted Crocker
Sorry, grew up around cattle folk.
Hee hee, Ted, you're not the only one Jeff beat to that one. I spent a lot of time on my Aunt's dairy farm as a kid and I have heard innumerable jokes based on just such a situation.
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7th April 10, 08:57 AM
#5
If you are south east Wisconsin, and would like someone in a kilt to stop by and loudly make rude comments to a former Major coming from a former Specialist 4 (corporal) let me know. I don't mine making a fool of myself and making someone else feel uncomfortable at the same time! 
It's your job. You did the right thing. Let it settle, and move on. I would find another job right now and when I give notice, make it formal and written, mailing a copy to the attention of the upper management that you really liked your job, but you could not in good conscience work for the new manager because of a personality conflict. Leave it at that.
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7th April 10, 09:34 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by jkane
It's your job. You did the right thing. Let it settle, and move on. I would find another job right now and when I give notice, make it formal and written, mailing a copy to the attention of the upper management that you really liked your job, but you could not in good conscience work for the new manager because of a personality conflict. Leave it at that.
Sometimes the 'battle' to win the 'war' isn't worth the hassle (especially when dealing with a small privately owned business), so the above might be the best course of action...especially if the owner/s of the store side with the "major". Of course if the store is a franchise of a larger company, then it might be worth going to 'corporate' about it, but again, depends on how much making the point is worth to you.
If they seem to care about their employees and take your concerns seriously, then it might be worth sticking around, but have a back up plan ready to go just in case things go south.
B.
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7th April 10, 09:13 AM
#7
So, apparently you were not in compliance with the dress code noted below.
 Originally Posted by Scotcop
The dress code is a white above the waist, and black below...I wore my Black Watch kilt, newly pressed, with a lavender\light blue well starched shirt, a day sporran, belt, the hose I died the other week, and a green\navy striped regimental style tie.
You can take exception to HOW you were told but the fact remains you were not in compliance with the code.
Had you worn a white shirt, would not that have been within the code? If so, you may have had been left with firmer grounds to object to his "order".
Just a thought...
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7th April 10, 09:17 AM
#8
 Originally Posted by Kilted in Maine
So, apparently you were not in compliance with the dress code noted below.
You can take exception to HOW you were told but the fact remains you were not in compliance with the code.
Had you worn a white shirt, would not that have been within the code? If so, you may have had been left with firmer grounds to object to his "order".
Just a thought...
Point is he had permission.
The 'Eathen in his idleness bows down to wood and stone,
'E don't obey no orders unless they is his own,
He keeps his side arms awful,
And he leaves them all about,
Until up comes the Regiment and kicks the 'Eathen out.
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7th April 10, 09:40 AM
#9
 Originally Posted by Courtmount
Point is he had permission.
I do see that he had been given permission to wear a kilt. I don't see that he was given permission to deviate from the dress code.
 Originally Posted by Scotcop
The dress code is a white above the waist, and black below.
The POINT I was making is that he could have worn the kilt and still have been within the dress code.
I am not condoning with the supervisor did (far from it!!). What he did was wrong and it should be addressed to his superiors. All I am saying is a white shirt with the rest of the outfit would have given him a stronger argument to dispute the decision. As is, he may be left with just the WAY the message was conveyed to him.
Right or wrong the dress code is in place for a reason. I assume it is to have the employees, as a group stand out, from the customers who may be seeking assistance. His attire would likely cause him to stand out but not necessarily as an employee.
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7th April 10, 02:37 PM
#10
 Originally Posted by Kilted in Maine
So, apparently you were not in compliance with the dress code noted below.
You can take exception to HOW you were told but the fact remains you were not in compliance with the code.
Had you worn a white shirt, would not that have been within the code? If so, you may have had been left with firmer grounds to object to his "order".
Just a thought...
I work in a small grocery store as Assistant Manager. My boss and his brother own 4 groceries and a liquor store and we have an employee handbook with (mostly) specific dress code rules. We are the smallest of the groceries and the owner has allowed some variation of the dress and grooming rules based on practicalities given the fact that our staff is small and if we all dressed as prescribed there are times we would be hampered in performing some of our duties. He, the manager and I also regularly make exceptions to the rules for various practical or ethical reasons. We have a staff of about 40 - mostly part timers - and we operate in a very small town where things are pretty relaxed anyway. Most of our employees are also teens and we try to be sensitive to their needs as well as our own.
The point is that things usually are more flexible in small companies and Scotcop indicated his company is even smaller than ours. His manager gave him permission to wear the kilt so if anyone is at fault it was the manager, not Scotcop. That still doesn't let the supervisor off the hook. Even if he was the only right one, in terms of proper interpretation of the rules, he still had no call to be so abusive and demeaning in his attempt to enforce the dress/uniform code. I agree that Scotcop should get the assistant manager job - sounds like he's usually the best dressed employee anyway. Maybe the other guy is just jealous because he doesn't have the legs for the kilt
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