Argyle Hose for daywear...

[WolfmanJack]

I am sorry, but I have considerable difficulty in believing artists that were actually around at the time. Artists have a commercial mind and have a habit of adjusting things to make a better picture, so an artist who paints a picture a couple of centuries after the event has few actual facts to draw on. Conclusions drawn from a modern picture of a centuries old time, are in my mind highly suspect. It is a nice picture though.

Glad you like the picture, Jock. Here is another:



and another:



These are pictures of a reenactment of the 77th Highland Regiment Of Foot staged at Fort Ticonderoga by Muskets of the Crown this past summer. These chaps' kits cost them a pretty penny and I expect they did a great deal of careful research to arrive at their design. Quite similar to Griffing's painting, don't you think?

[Downunder Kilt]

Are we talking about the day use wearing of diced/argyll hose in a military situation (re-enactment) or civilian use. In the military scenerio they have worn diced hose during the day for a number of centuries and I would imagine that one could find a number of paintings showing their use in a military situation. As for everyday civilian use, I would hazard a guess that one would be hard pressed to find too many examples as such. To use pictures of their use by military persons and then to extrapolate that into everday civilian use, is a bridge too far for this poster.

I do however like the look of diced/ argyll hose being worn during the day, but don't think we can link it to a traditional everyday context.

[Bugbear]

Are we talking about the day use wearing of diced/argyll hose in a military situation (re-enactment) or civilian use. In the military scenerio they have worn diced hose during the day for a number of centuries and I would imagine that one could find a number of paintings showing their use in a military situation. As for everyday civilian use, I would hazard a guess that one would be hard pressed to find too many examples as such. To use pictures of their use by military persons and then to extrapolate that into everday civilian use, is a bridge too far for this poster.

I do however like the look of diced/ argyll hose being worn during the day, but don't think we can link it to a traditional everyday context.

Back there, I posted a link to my thread with a primary source describing civilians wearing tartan hose from 1773. Not saying it is a tradition, just that it was done. I have not been focused on tartan hose, or tartan hose of a different tartan than the kilt, so off the top of my head I don't know where to point for an example.

I know there are folks on the forum who know much, much more than I.
* sorry, I bring that up too much.

[WolfmanJack]

Are we talking about the day use wearing of diced/argyll hose in a military situation (re-enactment) or civilian use. In the military scenerio they have worn diced hose during the day for a number of centuries and I would imagine that one could find a number of paintings showing their use in a military situation. As for everyday civilian use, I would hazard a guess that one would be hard pressed to find too many examples as such. To use pictures of their use by military persons and then to extrapolate that into everday civilian use, is a bridge too far for this poster.

I do however like the look of diced/ argyll hose being worn during the day, but don't think we can link it to a traditional everyday context.

I plead guilty to bringing up th matter of hose in the military. I did so only to support Jamie's observation...

In fact maybe, just maybe there is something to be said for all your kit and kit to not look too matching. This is clothing and not a costume after all.

...by pointing out that, "There is ample historical precedent for kilts and hose of entirely different colors..."

And I would add that, back in the day, many military highlanders continued to wear all or part of their kit after returning to civilian life.

[davidg]

To use pictures of their use by military persons and then to extrapolate that into everday civilian use, is a bridge too far for this poster.

I do however like the look of diced/ argyll hose being worn during the day, but don't think we can link it to a traditional everyday context.

I agree. And there is an additional twist in that military diced hose usually are red/white or red/black when worn with a green based kilt. I was asking about a green/navy diced hose worn with a red based kilt, which is the reverse and I've not seen that done so have no idea whether there is any precedent or what other peoples opinions might be on doing it

[Spartan Tartan]

I agree. And there is an additional twist in that military diced hose usually are red/white or red/black when worn with a green based kilt. I was asking about a green/navy diced hose worn with a red based kilt, which is the reverse and I've not seen that done so have no idea whether there is any precedent or what other peoples opinions might be on doing it

I have nothing to add from a historical context, although I personally like the idea of green/navy diced hose with a predominantly red based kilt. I think it would look just fine.

[OC Richard]

Do not forget that many of the men, if not all, in Kenneth MacLeay's, The Highlanders of Scotland, series, were provided with the best Highland attire that could be mustered, in all its finery and glittering accessories

This "finery" and "glittering accessories" charge flies in the face of many of the images themselves.

The men below are wearing ordinary shoes, plain hose, no flashes, no weaponry, no kilt pins, no cap badges, no brooches. Their sporran cantles are plain leather so there is no metalwork on their costume whatsover... no "glittering accessories".

Their jackets are absolutely plain, and might not even be considered to be "kilt jackets" today.

Where is the "finery" ?



Modern people often focus on the long hair sporrans, so I must keep reminding us that long hair sporrans were the only sort of sporran worn at that time, except for animal mask sporrans. Long hair sporrans were worn for all forms of Highland Dress and didn't have the "military" connotation they do today.

[Paul Henry]

This "finery" and "glittering accessories" charge flies in the face of many of the images themselves. ...snip,,,.

but it doesn't..... if you look at the pictures carefully, most of the sitters ARE displayed in their best clothes, or at least were paid to sit in someone else's best clothes.

Richard, we all know you like and admire the pictures, but really they do not represent the average highlander or his everyday clothes.

They are great pictures, and I do like them very much, but as many on here say, you can't base a thesis on an imaginative rendering of the ( or even from the ) past.

[creagdhubh]

You guys look great!

[rsvpiper]

Some short kilts in them there foties!

As for Argyle hose fill yer boots man! If you as the wearer like them you wear them when ever you want tradition or no!


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