Dress codes and changing trends

[Godot]

I know people that have done both. Some people aren't as google savvy about finding the proper way to do things, so they try their hardest to make sense of their strange new garment.

I mean no disrespect at all but I have no idea how one can make the mistake of leaving in basting stitches or wearing it with the pleats in front.

:-O

[OC Richard]

Molach, I believe ,means "furry".

Yes

molach adj rough, hairy

(Gaelic Dictionary by Malcolm MacLennan)

About the black Argyll, yes, the thing that strikes me when I look at The Highlanders Of Scotland and contemporary photos is the utter plainness of most of the jackets, often lacking one or more of the very things which define a 'kilt jacket' to us like special buttons, fancy cuffs, epaulettes, and perhaps Inverness skirts.

I finally got an old catalogue, Fraser Ross, which illustrates and describes the Dress Argyll. Note the white tie



Now, whenever I post a photo from an old catalogue somebody will say "but that's just an illustration in a catalogue. People didn't actually wear it." This is of course absurd, because the purpose of a catalogue is to sell things. Printing is expensive, catalogue space is valuable, and they're not going to take up space with items they don't sell a lot of. (It's like somebody in the future seeing our TV ads for cars and soap and medicines and thinking that none of these things were actually used.)

So for those doubters here are photos of the same thing, more or less



Now talk about your changing dress codes! Can you imagine somebody today showing up for an Evening function with all this weaponry? And us wringing our hands over sginean! Note his row of miniature medals, I wonder what for. Note that the jacket doesn't have metal buttons; they appear to be covered in matching cloth. Of great interest is the fact that he's moved his left hand during the long 1860s exposure time, blurring the plaid.

[Tobus]

Now talk about your changing dress codes! Can you imagine somebody today showing up for an Evening function with all this weaponry? And us wringing our hands over sginean! Note his row of miniature medals, I wonder what for. Note that the jacket doesn't have metal buttons; they appear to be covered in matching cloth. Of great interest is the fact that he's moved his left hand during the long 1860s exposure time, blurring the plaid.

Interesting photo! Actually, what's of greatest interest to me is the way he has arranged his plaid so that the front shows the tartan on the bias, or at a diagonal. Pretty much every full plaid I see worn in this manner is folded so you see the straight lines of the tartan, parallel and perpendicular to the folds. He has done something different in the way he folded the portion across his chest. I kind of like it!

[creagdhubh]

Interesting photo! Actually, what's of greatest interest to me is the way he has arranged his plaid so that the front shows the tartan on the bias, or at a diagonal. Pretty much every full plaid I see worn in this manner is folded so you see the straight lines of the tartan, parallel and perpendicular to the folds. He has done something different in the way he folded the portion across his chest. I kind of like it!

As do I, Tobus! Good eye, mate.

[Nathan]

I finally got an old catalogue, Fraser Ross, which illustrates and describes the Dress Argyll. Note the white tie

Whenever I see these old photos and magazine illustrations of the Argyll as white tie evening wear, I have to point out that they aren't a depiction of a modern Argyll. The peaked or shawl silk-faced lapels elevate those Argylls significantly. Sure it shares many characteristics of the modern BBSBA but those differences are not to be overlooked. I would suggest that if you had an Argyll made in velvet or with satin or silk lapels today it would still qualify for the most formal of occasions but the standard issue can't be pushed much further than less formal black tie IMHO.

[creagdhubh]

Whenever I see these old photos and magazine illustrations of the Argyll as white tie evening wear, I have to point out that they aren't a depiction of a modern Argyll. The peaked or shawl silk-faced lapels elevate those Argylls significantly. Sure it shares many characteristics of the modern BBSBA but those differences are not to be overlooked. I would suggest that if you had an Argyll made in velvet or with satin or silk lapels today it would still qualify for the most formal of occasions but the standard issue can't be pushed much further than less formal black tie IMHO.

I agree. Personally, I would love to have an 'Argyll' style jacket made in the same manner as shown above. The peaked silk-faced lapels, elongated (Van Dyke) jacket pockets with braiding, and a trim, tailored cut. All smashing indeed--especially when paired with a 3-4 button waistcoat with lapels; quite appropriate for a white/black tie event.

[BCAC]

I agree. Personally, I would love to have an 'Argyll' style jacket made in the same manner as shown above. The peaked silk-faced lapels, elongated (Van Dyke) jacket pockets with braiding, and a trim, tailored cut. All smashing indeed--especially when paired with a 3-4 button waistcoat with lapels; quite appropriate for a white/black tie event.

I am tempted to say that if you go bespoke, and are willing to pay the price, you can have any style jacket that you wish. The only problem being convincing your wife/partner (and/or your bank manager).

[creagdhubh]

I am tempted to say that if you go bespoke, and are willing to pay the price, you can have any style jacket that you wish. The only problem being convincing your wife/partner (and/or your bank manager).

This is true!

[Machaggisnz]

I'm loving the shin length sporran in that old photo, given that most of the advice I hear about sporran length these days is that it should never extend past the edge of the kilt. He surely rocks the longer version.

[TheOfficialBren]

Maybe I'm a pragmatist but unless I'm going to be able to get several uses out of a garment per year I won't bother purchasing one. I'll hire one.

Then again, due to the climate in my region, black tie events are usually reserved for winter. White tie events are literally non-existent, even among the upper class (middle class to the folks across the pond).

Darn it, though, those satin shawl lapels are fabulous! Now THAT is an Argyl jacket!