Tartan tat kings go Scottish

[RockyR]

Rocky - over here the word "****" is considered to be racist and derogatory.

I doubt that the reputable shops would start selling them but if they did I would hope that they would have the "baws" to put country of origin on the label.

Sorry about that... no racism was meant. It's simply a term used here to describe where the kilts are made. I'l change the term to Pakistani kilt and write it out from now on....

BTW... thank you for educating me.

[RockyR]

There are laws about truth in advertising. The problem with the Gold Bros (and for that matter NEARLY every shop in Europe) is that salesmen don't know where things are made unless explicitly stated. Many Scottish made sporrans don't have a "Made in Scotland" stamp and most sporrans currently sold that don't have a "Made in Scotland" stamp are NOT made in Scotland (including some from some very Scottish brands). This has created ruin, for instance, of the sporran trade. Its, however, also destroyed most of the traditional knitwear market as well.. and ...

---snip---

I don't follow the logic. The Gold Bros shops are doing well since they have been good at developing and adapting to the market. They are--- like it or not--- one of the success stories of local Scottish "kilt" retailing. A lot of the "established" shops like to blame the Gold Bros for their declining fortunes but fortunes have been in decline for the entire European producing textile industry (especially German and British).

I know that they have a truth in advertising law... I was referring to a more "strict interpretation" of that law.

I was trying to say that when there's a "fight" (and I use the term loosely) and 1 side is playing by what they consider "moral rules" and the other side is not playing by the same rules, it's going to be an "uphill battle" for 1 company. The only way to be a force against a company like the GB is to do what THEY do... get down to their level and sell the same kind of items to compete on their level. I wasn't seriously suggesting that GT open those types of stores... it was more of a "tongue in cheek" kind of comment that aparently was lost in the translation from my brain to my fingers typing. ;)

[highlander_Daz]

Nanook , Im glad you concede my point that the Singhs are British Asians, you seem convinced they are British Citizens, I wonder hat the basis of this assumption? even if they are they are not Scots they are British Asians, which as I said before isnt a factor in my arguement,

can you elabourate as to which "top Scottish woolen mills" they use,
I appreciate your comments however, Ive been in the shops loads of times, most if not all the staff are eastern european/asian ( so not jobs for Scots) again the Singhes are entitled to employ who they like, but Im setting the record streight, as for the Singhs being a "success story for Scottish kilt making" if you class flooding the market with shoddy rubbish with a huge markup then thats a great success for them, and a knockout blow for real kiltmakers.

finally you point about child labour, you suggested that Stillwater and Sportkilts sell products that may have had child labour involved , is there any evidence for this or again is it pure speculation?

[Phil]

Sorry about that... no racism was meant. It's simply a term used here to describe where the kilts are made. I'l change the term to Pakistani kilt and write it out from now on....

BTW... thank you for educating me.

Thanks RockyR. It really is a racist slur, certainly here and, in any case, I believe a lot of this stuff actually comes from China. I was apalled by a TV programme here this week detailing the extent of counterfeit goods coming from China nowadays and which is finding its way onto legitimate markets. Things like counterfeit blood pressure drugs are being issued to patients through legitimate channels. That is frightening. Kilts I can live with but vehicle and aeroplane spares! Life saving drugs! That is something else and who encourages it? The cheapskates who won't pay the going price.

[Clockwork John]

When I bought my kilt and sporran and hose from the Gold Bros. They were very honest about the quality, origin, etc. My wife and I actually had a little chat with one of the owners, regarding his plans to visit California. When he was talking to us about their kilts, he used the words cheap, synthetic, and *gasp* made overseas.

It was my experience, as a customer, that they were never attempting to pass off their goods as anything other than what they are- cheap, synthetic, and foreign-made.

[Pat Bowen]

I undestand why I want my husband ( or anyone else) to have a traditional kilt. Best quality, etc, etc. But, my question would be, would I let him go out to the games and use his kilt we paid 500. US dollars for to Play in. I dont think so.

I would buy him one of these cheap ones to play in (wear everyday) or just to hang out in. Save the best for dress!. Same thing for his jeans and his other clothes.

Do you guys really wear you best kilts out just to knock about in?
This has been one of my questions about buying his first kilt. Now, after my research I find myself wanting to buy him two. One to play in and one for dress. But I promise the play one I will not put that kind of money into.

[RockyR]

Thanks RockyR. It really is a racist slur, certainly here and, in any case, I believe a lot of this stuff actually comes from China. I was apalled by a TV programme here this week detailing the extent of counterfeit goods coming from China nowadays and which is finding its way onto legitimate markets. Things like counterfeit blood pressure drugs are being issued to patients through legitimate channels. That is frightening. Kilts I can live with but vehicle and aeroplane spares! Life saving drugs! That is something else and who encourages it? The cheapskates who won't pay the going price.

Again... I apologize to my ignorance of the racist term. In the spirit of companies like "Ameri"-kilt and "Utili"-kilt, I just shortened the name Pakistani - Kilt. I will refrain from use of the "shortened term".

About the origins of the kilts... As a store owner, I can only speak to my experience. I get roughly 6 or 8 emails a week (not an exaggeration) from Pakistan companies (Salkot Pakistan to be specific) offering low price kilts and bagpipes and other "Scottish" regalia. I have never received an email from a Chinese (or any other country for that matter) company offering low end "Scottish - type goods".

I think many people BELIEVE it's made in China as China is synonimous with "mass production" these days. That may or may not be the actual case, however.

[Monkey@Arms]

. I have never received an email from a Chinese (or any other country for that matter) company offering low end "Scottish - type goods".

I think many people BELIEVE it's made in China as China is synonimous with "mass production" these days. That may or may not be the actual case, however.

Back during the Lidl-Gold Brothers prices wars of January '08, a news article stated in regards to the £19.99 kilts at least that "Mr Gold said he could 'guarantee' that the kilts, which are manufactured in China, were good quality and had not been made using child labour."

Best regards,

Jake

[highlander_Daz]

If Mr. "gold" said it was going to go dark tonight Id double check!!

sorry its turning a bit venomous on my part, but I find these guys and others like them to be such a pain, they just see everything as a way to make cash and I find all the stuff they sell so demeaning. I wonder how they would feel if I went to Pakistan and started selling t shirts with
"Im a happy chupatti" or "kiss me im Pakistani" and made the pakistani flag into a bathrobe or silly hat, I know several people from the asian continant and I know how precious they hold the symbols of thier culture, I would never insult someones culture like that a women was Jailed for calling a teddy bear Mohammed in one eastern country, the stuff the golds sell is in my view just as offensive.

apoligies for the religeous references its just to illustrate a point.

[highlander_Daz]

this is the sort of people they are

http://news.scotsman.com/guncrime/Gu...ore.3785381.jp