White Tie Kilt Dress

[macwilkin]

I would suggest that the original post be made permanent fixed as a sticky at the head of the appropriate discussion group. Very well written and informative

Perhaps Twa Corbies could provide a works cited/bibliography to go along with his article?

Regards,

Todd

[Twa_Corbies]

Perhaps Twa Corbies could provide a works cited/bibliography to go along with his article?

Regards,

Todd

The article was written from the standpoint of personal experience gathered over the past quarter of a century, but most of the information I have presented in it can be found in books such as Charles R. Mackinnon of Dunakin's "Tartans and Highland Dress," James D. Scarlett's "Scotland's Clans and Tartans," and Scotty Thompson's "So You're Going to Wear the Kilt". Other books that touch on the subject, but which only offer a brief overview are Robert Bain's "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and Frank Adam's "The Clans, Septs and Regiments of the Highlands of Scotland".

[Bugbear]

Twa_Corbies, you use the term "jabot type shirt" in the artical. would you explain or describe what this is? I know what a jabot is, but I don't seem to have read about a jabot shirt before on the forum.

[skauwt]

just been reading this thread , i myself plan to wear a white ruche tie.. amthyest tie pin and black victorian style shirt also the argyll waistcoat/jacket when im kilted up ......... when it comes to clothes and what to wear i reckon what ever feels best and seems right at that moment works for me,

[macwilkin]

The article was written from the standpoint of personal experience gathered over the past quarter of a century, but most of the information I have presented in it can be found in books such as Charles R. Mackinnon of Dunakin's "Tartans and Highland Dress," James D. Scarlett's "Scotland's Clans and Tartans," and Scotty Thompson's "So You're Going to Wear the Kilt". Other books that touch on the subject, but which only offer a brief overview are Robert Bain's "The Clans and Tartans of Scotland" and Frank Adam's "The Clans, Septs and Regiments of the Highlands of Scotland".

Many thanks. As a history instructor & librarian, I always enjoy seeing works cited at the end of an article!

T.

[Twa_Corbies]

Twa_Corbies, you use the term "jabot type shirt" in the artical. would you explain or describe what this is? I know what a jabot is, but I don't seem to have read about a jabot shirt before on the forum.

They make lace jabots and cuffs that are separate articles that aren't attached to a shirt, and then there are jabot shirts which have the lace jabot and cuffs attached to them. The latter is a far better idea since you don't have to worry about the cuffs and jabot slipping the way you might if you wore them as attachments. The jabot shirt is of course more traditional as well, since the separate cuffs and jabot were worn in immatation of the shirt, rather like wearing a dickie with a dinner jacket (which I doubt anyone does these days, since they are far more trouble than just wearing a formal shirt).

[JSFMACLJR]

They make lace jabots and cuffs that are separate articles that aren't attached to a shirt, and then there are jabot shirts which have the lace jabot and cuffs attached to them. The latter is a far better idea since you don't have to worry about the cuffs and jabot slipping the way you might if you wore them as attachments. The jabot shirt is of course more traditional as well, since the separate cuffs and jabot were worn in immatation of the shirt, rather like wearing a dickie with a dinner jacket (which I doubt anyone does these days, since they are far more trouble than just wearing a formal shirt).

Don't believe this Ted! The jabot is/was neck wear, like a cravat or stock. It was seperate from the shirt. The lace cuffs, on the other hand, were a part of the shirt at one time. I would STAY CLEAR of any sort of shirt that has these bits built in. Tacky, tacky, tacky. I would seriously doubt the quality of the tatting, and more than likely the shirt would not be an evening shirt of any quality. I have yet to see an acceptable combo shirt/jabot good enough for wear at a full dress function.

Cheers,
Sandford

[Bugbear]

Um... I've never heard of these shirts, and I really don't know anything about this.

However, if I ever get a dress Argyle, I think I would prefer to wear the jabot and high cut waistcoat, rather than the black bow tie. Perhaps a Sheriffmuir doublet with the jabot; anything but a Prince Charlie.

There's just a certen classieness to a jabot that I like. And it is... just somewhat dreaming.

* Sorry That's all black tie attire dreams and this is a white tie attire thread. I just love learning about this stuff, though. *

[Twa_Corbies]

J. Higgins is one of the Highland outfitters that I know of who sells jabot shirts with the jabot attached. The Scottish Lion catalog alsocarries them, as well as a number of other outfitters. Unfortunately Higgins only shows their jabot shirt worn with a Montrose doublet, so all you see is the jabot and cuffs:



The image provided by the Scottish Lion only shows the shirt folded as it would come new from their shop:



Houston Kiltmakers in Scotland also carries a jabot shirt with the cravat and cuffs attached to the shirt:

[JSFMACLJR]

One can only guess at the fibre content of these shirts! I doubt very much that they are made of 100% cotton, and if they are I bet the quality is pretty sub-standard.