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4th March 11, 05:26 PM
#71
Originally Posted by BobsYourUncle
I have to think that both the badger AND the swingin' six worn by Other Ranks were magnets for pests and dust. Keeping them in order had to be a major headache.
In June our group portrays the 7th Bn as they fought in the desert of North Africa, up to and after El Alamein. We do this at the airfield in Reading Pennsylvania, as part of the Reading Air Show. Central Pennsylvania cannot be anywhere near as hot as the desert in North Africa, yet we live on and next to the asphalt runways, and in the heat of the day it seems to us that we must be approaching those conditions--temperatures reach over 100 degrees F. We only have to do that for three days, we are not being shot at or bombarded, and our relative comfort and safety aside, I can tell you that wearing 22 oz military weight kilts and hair sporrans brings to mind the saying about Mad Dogs and Englishmen...
I really don't know how they wore wool tunics and battledress, kilts and sporrans in the desert. I would die from the heat alone, the Germans wouldn't need to do anything...
Humidity, or rather the lack of it, is a big factor.
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4th March 11, 06:14 PM
#72
Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown
Humidity, or rather the lack of it, is a big factor.
No doubt, no doubt. Yet to this humble living historian, who grew up in the snow belt of Central New York [Buffalo/Syracuse weather system], the prospect of having to live for months/years in those conditions is just about unthinkable. Thinking about their desert service gives me at least a little bit of understanding as to why Montgomery held his forces back near Cairo for months of training, to acclimatize them to desert conditions before taking on Rommel.
"Before two notes of the theme were played, Colin knew it was Patrick Mor MacCrimmon's 'Lament for the Children'...Sad seven times--ah, Patrick MacCrimmon of the seven dead sons....'It's a hard tune, that', said old Angus. Hard on the piper; hard on them all; hard on the world." Butcher's Broom, by Neil Gunn, 1994 Walker & Co, NY, p. 397-8.
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5th March 11, 12:22 PM
#73
MacMillan of Rathdown wrote: “Humidity, or rather the lack of it, is a big factor.”
That’s exactly it. When the humidity is low, much higher temperatures are more bearable.
And the desert can also be cold at night.
Aside from those factors, heavy clothing also has its uses in the desert. The Long-Range Desert Group and others who used the tracks far south of the Mediterranean shores wore greatcoats and other clothing to wrap themselves up against the sand and the heat. Paradoxically it worked.
Regards,
Mike
The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life.
[Proverbs 14:27]
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6th March 11, 06:29 PM
#74
Originally Posted by Mike_Oettle
MacMillan of Rathdown wrote: “Humidity, or rather the lack of it, is a big factor.”
That’s exactly it. When the humidity is low, much higher temperatures are more bearable.
And the desert can also be cold at night.
Aside from those factors, heavy clothing also has its uses in the desert. The Long-Range Desert Group and others who used the tracks far south of the Mediterranean shores wore greatcoats and other clothing to wrap themselves up against the sand and the heat. Paradoxically it worked.
Regards,
Mike
You're both quite right, of course, and the photographic evidence is quite clear, showing the LRDG and SAS wearing giant wool British Army greatcoats while on road watch duty during the scorching daylight hours [see the book Band of Brigands, a great read], yet my mind still rebels at the notion...
"Before two notes of the theme were played, Colin knew it was Patrick Mor MacCrimmon's 'Lament for the Children'...Sad seven times--ah, Patrick MacCrimmon of the seven dead sons....'It's a hard tune, that', said old Angus. Hard on the piper; hard on them all; hard on the world." Butcher's Broom, by Neil Gunn, 1994 Walker & Co, NY, p. 397-8.
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6th March 11, 07:44 PM
#75
I have visions of ancient, pith-helmeted 90-something Germans and Brits offering themselves up to Libyan rebels as "technical experts" to the Libyan rebels - the ex-Afrika Korps men all scrawny-necked in their pith helmets, and the Brits in battered Wolseley solar topees. All hoping to pick up a bit of dosh based on their experiences with Rommel and Monty. And to buy new dentures perhaps. If you every read up about Richard Von Meinertzhagen, it isn't so impossible though.
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6th March 11, 08:54 PM
#76
Originally Posted by Biathlonman
I have visions of ancient, pith-helmeted 90-something Germans and Brits offering themselves up to Libyan rebels as "technical experts" to the Libyan rebels - the ex-Afrika Korps men all scrawny-necked in their pith helmets, and the Brits in battered Wolseley solar topees. All hoping to pick up a bit of dosh based on their experiences with Rommel and Monty. And to buy new dentures perhaps. If you every read up about Richard Von Meinertzhagen, it isn't so impossible though.
You haven't seen the new book on the Meinertzhagen (no "Von", as they were Danish) diary ruse, have you?
This post reminds me of how during the 1960s, old gentleman in Tanzania would travel to Dar-es-Salaam to collect their pension at the German embassy; the German military attache would have these old men go through the manual of arms to prove that they had served as askaris under Von Lettlow-Vorbeck in World War One.
T.
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7th March 11, 02:17 AM
#77
[SIZE="2"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]T. E. ("TERRY") HOLMES[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"][FONT="Georgia"][COLOR="DarkGreen"][B][I]proud descendant of the McReynolds/MacRanalds of Ulster & Keppoch, Somerled & Robert the Bruce.[/SIZE]
[SIZE="1"]"Ah, here comes the Bold Highlander. No @rse in his breeks but too proud to tug his forelock..." Rob Roy (1995)[/I][/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE]
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7th March 11, 12:28 PM
#78
Thanks for the kind words! This was a great idea for a thread, and I have enjoyed it thoroughly! You may have inspired me to complete my Boer War Argyll impression...
"Before two notes of the theme were played, Colin knew it was Patrick Mor MacCrimmon's 'Lament for the Children'...Sad seven times--ah, Patrick MacCrimmon of the seven dead sons....'It's a hard tune, that', said old Angus. Hard on the piper; hard on them all; hard on the world." Butcher's Broom, by Neil Gunn, 1994 Walker & Co, NY, p. 397-8.
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7th March 11, 06:12 PM
#79
Originally Posted by cajunscot
You haven't seen the new book on the Meinertzhagen (no "Von", as they were Danish) diary ruse, have you?
This post reminds me of how during the 1960s, old gentleman in Tanzania would travel to Dar-es-Salaam to collect their pension at the German embassy; the German military attache would have these old men go through the manual of arms to prove that they had served as askaris under Von Lettlow-Vorbeck in World War One.
T.
It says a lot that the Germans would honor those pensions after losing two world wars. But those askaris were fine fighting men. Von Lettlow-Vorbeck gave the British fits.
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7th March 11, 08:19 PM
#80
If you want Highlanders in pith helmets, watch "Gunga Din".
By Choice, not by Birth
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