Tie with a Prince Charlie

[Phil]

Not to contradict you nor the advert but I would say that this illustration is a Kenmore not a Montrose, due to the "wings" that fall just above the hips. Or I can respectfully say that in modern times (2013) that. I also look to HRH Prince Charles who's favorite evening Highland Dress Jacket is a green velvet Kenmore and it looks just like the one in the advertisement.
Cheers, Wil

Please do not be confused by the bewildering names attributed to various jackets. The deciding factor is what style you prefer and, unless you choose a bespoke tailor, what limited range is available.

[OC Richard]

HRH Prince Charles has been seen wearing the Balmoral doublet and not the Kenmore. Even though both doublets appear similar, there is a distinction.

If you're referring to the Kenmore having a stand collar and the Balmoral having an open collar with lapels, note that in the Anderson 1936 catalogue, the Kenmore doublet (which they claim as being their invention) is listed as being available with either sort of collar. So, in the 1930s Anderson was making both styles and calling both "Kenmore" doublets. I don't know why a modern maker would invent a new name for the open-collar Kenmore doublet, but there it is.

BTW the 1936 catalogue I have is not Kinloch Anderson but William Anderson & Sons LTD, 14-16 George St, Edinburgh and 155 Hope St, Glasgow. Did Wm Anderson & Sons become Kinloch Anderson?

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Short answer, yes.

[creagdhubh]

Did Wm Anderson & Sons become Kinloch Anderson?

Yes.

[OC Richard]

So last night my wife and I attended the Black Watch & Scots Guards concert, and I wore kilt, tartan hose, buckled shoes, goathair sporran, Prince Charlie, Argyll waistcoat, stand collar shirt, and long tie. I prefer that look with the PC over the low-cut waistcoat and bow tie... it has a nice Edwardian look to it.

[Tim Little]

No pix, it didn't happen, Richard!
Have to say it sounds interesting, tho.

[JSFMACLJR]

So last night my wife and I attended the Black Watch & Scots Guards concert, and I wore kilt, tartan hose, buckled shoes, goathair sporran, Prince Charlie, Argyll waistcoat, stand collar shirt, and long tie. I prefer that look with the PC over the low-cut waistcoat and bow tie... it has a nice Edwardian look to it.

What is an "Argyll waistcoat"?

[Wil]

What is an "Argyll waistcoat"?

Spot on!

[creagdhubh]

What is an "Argyll waistcoat"?

Sandy,

I'm thinking a 5-6 button front waistcoat with scalloped pocket flaps and three buttons that pairs with its counterpart, the 'Argyll' style jacket with the same style of scalloped pocket flaps with three buttons. Could be wrong, though.

Cheers,

[OC Richard]

Yep it was just a shorthand way to refer to the waistcoat that comes with an Argyll jacket.

I've got to get a tartan waistcoat one of these days! I'm thinking about getting a waistcoat in Black Watch tartan and wearing it with any of my kilts (none of them Black Watch) indiscriminately. I'm thinking of the Black Watch pipers in the 19th century who wore Royal Stewart kilts & plaids with Black Watch tartan doublets, which looked very nice.

Here we were, yours truly, piper Colin (if I recall correctly), my friend and fellow piper Josh Cooper