X Marks the Scot - An on-line community of kilt wearers.

   X Marks Partners - (Go to the Partners Dedicated Forums )
USA Kilts website Celtic Croft website Celtic Corner website Houston Kiltmakers

User Tag List

Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Button Shape

  1. #1
    Join Date
    27th February 13
    Location
    Winnpeg
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Button Shape

    I was wondering if anyone knows why the buttons on Argyll, Prince Charlie, and other non day jackets are square or lozenge. Is this a civilian Scottish thing? Most of the regiments seem to have round buttons. Livery buttons are almost all round from what I've seen.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    2nd January 10
    Location
    Lethendy, Perthshire
    Posts
    4,631
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by piperalpha View Post
    I was wondering if anyone knows why the buttons on Argyll, Prince Charlie, and other non day jackets are square or lozenge. Is this a civilian Scottish thing? Most of the regiments seem to have round buttons. Livery buttons are almost all round from what I've seen.
    I don't know why but they seem to have first appeared in the Victorian era, the 1880's I think.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    27th February 13
    Location
    Winnpeg
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Queen Victorias servant )John Brown) was photographed wearing a jacket with square buttons. I wonder if it’s a trend that became a tradition. Maybe no one wanted to make new styles of buttons. Kinloch Anderson has their own. The majority or Jacket makers seem to use the lion rampant button.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    2nd January 10
    Location
    Lethendy, Perthshire
    Posts
    4,631
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by piperalpha View Post
    Queen Victorias servant )John Brown) was photographed wearing a jacket with square buttons. I wonder if it’s a trend that became a tradition. Maybe no one wanted to make new styles of buttons. Kinloch Anderson has their own. The majority or Jacket makers seem to use the lion rampant button.
    The Royal Family were always Highlandwear trendsetters during the 19th century and it is quite likely that they were the first to adopt them. Here are three keepers (ghillies) on the Balmoral Estate in 1858 and so, a couple of decades earlier than I'd previously thought.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1858 -Keepers to the Prince Consort Oct 1858.jpg 
Views:	13 
Size:	130.0 KB 
ID:	42472

    But actually, they were in use even earlier. Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, and Prince Alfred by Sir William Ross, dated 1847.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1847 - Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, and Prince Alfred by Sir William Ross, dated 1847.jpg 
Views:	9 
Size:	123.1 KB 
ID:	42473
    Last edited by figheadair; 27th March 23 at 09:45 AM.

  5. The Following 2 Users say 'Aye' to figheadair For This Useful Post:


  6. #5
    Join Date
    27th February 13
    Location
    Winnpeg
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Thanks for sharing. That’s very interesting

  7. #6
    Join Date
    27th February 13
    Location
    Winnpeg
    Posts
    116
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    This popped up when I was on Facebook

    https://youtu.be/typE49BRPR8

  8. #7
    Join Date
    18th October 09
    Location
    Orange County California
    Posts
    10,885
    Mentioned
    17 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by figheadair View Post
    The Royal Family were always Highlandwear trendsetters during the 19th century and it is quite likely that they were the first to adopt them...Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, and Prince Alfred by Sir William Ross, dated 1847.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	1847 - Albert Edward, Prince of Wales, and Prince Alfred by Sir William Ross, dated 1847.jpg 
Views:	9 
Size:	123.1 KB 
ID:	42473
    Thanks for posting that Peter!

    It's often stated that the Highland uniform was invented by the Victorian military, but in nearly every case the things thought to be military can be shown to have been worn by civilians prior to being adopted by the army.

    How Victorian military things tended to go was

    civilian use > worn by military pipers in civilian-style livery > adopted by the army for all Highland soldiers.

    And here we see clear evidence of that process, as here are civilians wearing doublets with diamond buttons.

    Pipers in two or three Highland regiments were wearing doublets as part of their civilian-style livery at that time (while the army as a whole wore coatees) and in 1855 the Highland regiments as a whole were put into doublets with square buttons, double-breasted doublets in fact:



    Evidently these weren't found to be practical and a year later were replaced by single-breasted doublets with round buttons. However the pipers of the 79th continued to wear square buttons until 2006.

    (Despite the book title, the piper pictured isn't a member of the Queens Own Highlanders, but The Highlanders, formed in 1994 from the Queens Own Highlanders and the Gordon Highlanders, hence the Gordon bag-cover and Gordon pipers sporran.)

    Last edited by OC Richard; 29th March 23 at 07:18 AM.
    Proud Mountaineer from the Highlands of West Virginia; son of the Revolution and Civil War; first Europeans on the Guyandotte

  9. The Following 2 Users say 'Aye' to OC Richard For This Useful Post:


Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

» Log in

User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v4.2.0