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Argyll jacket and Bowtie?
Hi guys, I'm new to the forum, but not kilts. I got the go ahead from my date and from school officials to wear my soon to be arriving formal highland dress to my senior prom. (Thanks Rocky and USA Kilts)
My main question is if it would be acceptable to wear an Argyll and a bowtie. Secondary concerns are that her dress is a dark teal and my kilt is in a MacDougall Modern.
Any comments, stories or feedback is very much appreciated. :)
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While I'm long past prom age, I sometimes wear a bowtie with my Argyle. I'm a piper, and if I'm playing a more formal event, such as a wedding, or a Burns Night or suchlike, I'll wear a waistcoat, wing collar shirt and bowtie with my Argyle. Of course, once the calendar gets past midsummer, you can't see the bowtie for the beard. When piping a fall event, I have been known to switch to a regular collared shirt, and let folks assume there's a bowtie under the shrubbery.
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If by Argyll you mean a black barathea jacket with shiny buttons and by bow tie you mean a black bow tie, then yes, they go together. You wrote that you ordered formal Highland dress from USAkilts, so I'm assuming you'll be getting a dress sporran to with that?
As for matching your tartan matching your date's dress, don't worry about it!
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Piper: Thank you, my beard isn't quite long enough to do that just yes. :)
CMcG: Yes that is the jacket I am referring to. I purchased a semi-formal hunting sporran to go with it. And the bow tie will be a dark metallic teal if I can help it.
Thank you both.
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The "rules" for prom in the US differ quite a bit from typical black tie (which is, in my opinion, unfortunate). Matching of your date's dress has become the accepted standard and your date, undoubtedly, expects you to do so.
So wear the teal tie, don't worry about whether it matches your kilt or not as most Scots seem not to worry much about matching, and have a great time!
Your outfit sounds great, and your choice of sporran sounds like a good one; though there's no way to tell without pictures. A leather hunting sporran with a silver cantle works fairly well for both daywear and black tie.
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Homer, I'm sure you know the rules about posting photos. Just sayin'.
I agree with CMcG: too bad prom dress rules are not in line with standard dress conventions, but that comes from an old guy who wore a gray tux and ruffled shirt with a huge butterfly bow tie to his prom in 1970! I was pretty spiffy! :evil:
Your overall outfit sounds great to me. Just enough modern touches to avoid "old fartism" but still respectable. I would think that you'll be the best dressed fellow at the ball. What about hose and flashes? And shoes?
Inquiring minds want to know. And don't forget the pictures. :)
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My date and I are of the same mind about matching, and that if the bow tie or regular neck tie match that's good enough for her. The pictures will come soon, I just am slightly afraid to touch anything lest I ruin it before its debut. I've purchased a pair of dark green hose and flashes that match my tartan to complete the ensemble. I don't doubt I'll turn heads at the very least. And I'm still entertaining the idea of wearing the waist plate and 5 button vest together, but I can't decide. I should probably try it all on once to see that everything fits together. Haven't done that, just individually.
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The waist plate and vest usually don't work well together. Either the vest ends up partially covering the plate,or the plate rides up over the vest, and either way it just looks - untidy, not well put together. But your milage may vary. On your original question, 2 pictures are worth a thousand words. Here is the same argyle at Marine Corps Balls a year apart.
With a four in hand:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/p...l/IMG_0163.jpg
and with a bow tie:
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/p...l/IMG_0483.jpg
Geoffrey Withnell
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Alrighty, here's some updates. I just got the standard tuxedo shirt, and I don't know where to get cufflinks and studs for the buttons so they all tie into the Argyll Jacket. All of the gear fits. I still search for the proper bow tie as well.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
The shirt in this picture isn't the tux shirt.
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Originally Posted by Homer
Alrighty, here's some updates. I just got the standard tuxedo shirt, and I don't know where to get cufflinks and studs for the buttons so they all tie into the Argyll Jacket. All of the gear fits. I still search for the proper bow tie as well.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...type=1&theater
The shirt in this picture isn't the tux shirt.
Believe it or not, you can usually buy cufflinks in most department stores; Penny's sells them, and since most Penny's also sell tuxedos, they may have shirt studs as well. If all else fails, any place that rents tuxedos can also sell you studs and cufflinks.
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Slight hijack here. Much has been said about choosing proper accessories, and how they can complete or even make an outfit. This is clearly seen in Geoff's second picture. The accessory under his right arm, and the expression on her face, reveals choosing done with rare acumen. My hat, sir, is not only off to you, but in a deep, wide, sweeping bow.
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I didn't think of that, but they won't have the little square dingers that are on an Argyll or Prince Charlie will they?:think:
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I didn't think of that, but they won't have the little square dingers that are on an Argyll or Prince Charlie will they?:think:
And I've decided against a waist plate and coat together. :lol:
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Homer, I'm sure you know the rules about posting photos. Just sayin'.
... but that comes from an old guy who wore a gray tux and ruffled shirt with a huge butterfly bow tie to his prom in 1970! I was pretty spiffy! :evil:
Inquiring minds want to know. And don't forget the pictures. :)
You know the rules!
:lol:
Tony
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I just realized that I failed to mention that I have a mind set to wear a fly plaid, any tips or comments? :shock:
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Most tuxedo rental shops have used gear for sale. Cuff links, studs, shirts and bow ties. The pricing for used items is ofter far below new prices and better suited for the modest budget.
Good luck to you and your girl.
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Geoff, That's a brill picture. Your Missus is obviously quite struck with you. Great, moment capturing picture.
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Geoff, That's a brill picture. Your Missus is obviously quite struck with you. Great, moment capturing picture.
And I kinda like her, as well. We have been together 39 years, and are more in love now than ever. And she thinks I'm sexy as all get out in my kilt!
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I just realized that I failed to mention that I have a mind set to wear a fly plaid, any tips or comments? :shock:
My preference is to keep my style more simple...so I would not personally wear a fly plaid. There has been some discussion in the forum too as to whether they are necessary--bottom line: it really is your choice. If you like it, wear it. But certainly there is not a "rule".
Although, I would like to draw your attention to Geoff's second picture as others have noted, the best accessory you will have is your date. Wear your outfit properly and you will look smashing (with or without the fly plaid).
And don't forget the rules...we EXPECT pictures afterward:lol:
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About the fly plaid:
I would not wear it to the prom. There is quite a bit of fast dancing and commotion...at least in my day. I would be afraid it would get ripped off of the shoulder and tear the jacket.
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I, too, would skip the plaid. Good if you go piping but at the dance people would think you were wearing a cape and probably call you Captain Scotty. The bow tie is great from the description. Photos will confirm! Congratulations on your decision to wear the kilt to your prom. I wish I'd had the option lo those many years ago.
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Personally, I'd give the fly-plaid a miss. It's really TOO formal for an Argyll, IMO. But then again, I can't think of an occasion where I personally would wear a plaid.
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Congratulations on lining up a nice outfit.
Studs and links are widely available. Basically any store that sells or rents formal wear will gladly sell you the tie and jewelry.
If you have time to mail order, then these guys or many others can fit you economically with something suitable.
They come in all shapes and kinds. It sounds like you envision a square/diamond silver set that matches your Argyll's buttons. That would be cool, so keep an eye out; but don't fret if they're all round instead.
I have heard it prescribed (:Rulz:), but I don't know how correctly, that black tie calls for black studs and cufflinks. Most commonly, that is yellow or white metal with black stone or enamel in the center. I think that plain gold or silver will work for either black- or white tie. For 3 dollars a decent looking set can be yours from the mail-order guys; it'll probably cost more that that to ship it. If you want to spend $75 or more for a set, you can easily do so. You may find a set of plastic studs in a new shirt, and they will work, in a pinch!
I actually have a set of square grey mother-of-pearl studs and links that would complement the square buttons; however there are 3 studs in the set, and most shirts these days take four. You may be able to find something like it.
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I'm noticing that with the waistcoat, jacket and tie; that only a few of the buttons show anyway. The shirt I purchased has the little black circle studs already.
Also,my plan is to wear it to make more of an entrance, but take it off for the dancing and such.
I think since in this scenario, since she wears the metaphorical pants, I'm HER "accessory". :shhh:
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I think since in this scenario, since she wears the metaphorical pants, I'm HER "accessory". :shhh:
Laddie, you have just stumbled upon one of the greatest bits of wisdom a man can have.
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Back 20 years ago when I piped at a lot more weddings than I do now (around 50 a year) I would wear a black Argyll with wing collar and bow tie all the time.
At that time 90% of the weddings had the men in black tuxes with wing collar and bow tie so I blended in with the wedding party very well.
I found a set of square studs and cufflinks which I wore for years. I really liked the look of the square studs with the Argyll's square buttons.
I haven't worn a wing collar or bow tie for many years... now I dress for weddings like my avatar there.
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Alrighty then boyos! Tonights the big shabang! I'll take a ton of pictures and be sure to post them. I'm wearing a tie with a pin that belonged to my grandfather. Thank you all for the advice!
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