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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour1Malt View Post
    alricht...

    this will bae a lang an oan gaein' thried....(sae visit often)

    ai am tryin' tae pull a' the assorted

    "Travelin' Tae Scotland" threids tegither in yin place...

    sae oiny o' ya wantin tae travel tae Scotland oan yur Holiday

    can come tae this threid an fin loads of information aboot it...

    feirst... here arr the thrieds aboot "Traveling Tae Scotland"...

    xmarkers give guid advice oan these threids....

    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...ight=traveling

    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...light=scotland

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    I wasn't able to understand this so I couldn't keep up

    Why not write in English AND whatever it is you wrote so everyone can enjoy it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardchoille View Post
    I wasn't able to understand this so I couldn't keep up

    Why not write in English AND whatever it is you wrote so everyone can enjoy it?
    This is getting just a bit tiresome. (No offense but....) Do just what the rest of us have done and spend a little bit of time to learn Broad Scots / Lallans. I doesn't take much effort (especiallly if you're like me and grew up in the Deep South, United States). It's not that different. The gaelic and other non-English words in the language can be worked out via context or translated via any number of websites that have been posted on XMarks. Trust me, a bit of work and practice will do you in good stead when you visit Scotland. Americans do not enjoy the best reputation around the world just now; not in the least of which is our reputation for showing up in a restaurant in the middle of Paris demanding a waiter that speaks English. Picture a Spaniard on holiday in Portugal. It's a different language but each can understand the other if they work at it. We all need to work at it a little harder.

    Personally I'd like this to be the last time I hear this complaint.
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    Guid oan ye, Pour1Malt, for stairtin this threid! A howp tae see it become a sinder forum!

    As for neef keenin Lallans, A ween that he maks it eith by awa eff the fremmit anes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by slohairt View Post
    Guid oan ye, Pour1Malt, for stairtin this threid! A howp tae see it become a sinder forum!

    As for neef keenin Lallans, A ween that he maks it eith by awa eff the fremmit anes!
    Here's a translation:
    Good on you, Pour1Malt, for starting this thread! I hope to see it become a separate forum!

    As for not understanding Lowland Scots, I think that he makes it easy by leaving out the unfamiliar ones!


    I posted that merely to prove a point. I suspect many here had some difficulty reading that. (Or perhaps you didn't!) Pour1Malt actually eschews a lot of native Lallans words so as to accommodate English-speaking readers. Starbkjr's analogy of Spanish and Portuguese is correct. The two languages ARE mutually intelligible. With a little work (which P1M has already done) Lowland Scots is made comprehensible to an English-speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slohairt View Post
    Here's a translation:
    Good on you, Pour1Malt, for starting this thread! I hope to see it become a separate forum!

    As for not understanding Lowland Scots, I think that he makes it easy by leaving out the unfamiliar ones!


    I posted that merely to prove a point. I suspect many here had some difficulty reading that. (Or perhaps you didn't!) Pour1Malt actually eschews a lot of native Lallans words so as to accommodate English-speaking readers. Starbkjr's analogy of Spanish and Portuguese is correct. The two languages ARE mutually intelligible. With a little work (which P1M has already done) Lowland Scots is made comprehensible to an English-speaker.
    Thank you for the translation and explanation.. it's highly appreciated

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    Quote Originally Posted by starbkjrus View Post
    This is getting just a bit tiresome. (No offense but....) Do just what the rest of us have done and spend a little bit of time to learn Broad Scots / Lallans. I doesn't take much effort (especiallly if you're like me and grew up in the Deep South, United States). It's not that different. The gaelic and other non-English words in the language can be worked out via context or translated via any number of websites that have been posted on XMarks. Trust me, a bit of work and practice will do you in good stead when you visit Scotland. Americans do not enjoy the best reputation around the world just now; not in the least of which is our reputation for showing up in a restaurant in the middle of Paris demanding a waiter that speaks English. Picture a Spaniard on holiday in Portugal. It's a different language but each can understand the other if they work at it. We all need to work at it a little harder.

    Personally I'd like this to be the last time I hear this complaint.
    You're getting tired of someone wanting an extra post so they can understand what's being said? I have little time to learn another language that I might use twice per month (I'm studying for my Ph.D.). I'm beginning to think that no one wants to post a translation because no one, other than Pour1malt, fully understands it either.. they're just going along with it so as to "not rock the boat"- only dead fish go with the flow. I'll just ignore posts that I can't read and hope it's nothing important. Please accept my apologies if I upset anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ardchoille View Post
    I'm beginning to think that no one wants to post a translation because no one, other than Pour1malt, fully understands it either.. they're just going along with it so as to "not rock the boat"- only dead fish go with the flow. I'll just ignore posts that I can't read and hope it's nothing important. Please accept my apologies if I upset anyone.
    Apart from your good self, I am not aware that anyone else has difficulties. I do not want to post a "translation" for one (though I have no difficulty understanding it and am far from a dead fish) because I would see that as surrendering or pandering to lazy demands for English only - it is perfectly possible to google for words you don't understand. Heck I get comments in Polish on my photo blog and have to do that! It is your loss if you ignore posts, not the loss of the poster.

    Hopefully that doesn't sound too vitriolic of me but I felt that the above comments could not go unchallenged although hopefully in a nice way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McClef View Post
    Apart from your good self, I am not aware that anyone else has difficulties. I do not want to post a "translation" for one (though I have no difficulty understanding it and am far from a dead fish) because I would see that as surrendering or pandering to lazy demands for English only - it is perfectly possible to google for words you don't understand. Heck I get comments in Polish on my photo blog and have to do that! It is your loss if you ignore posts, not the loss of the poster.

    Hopefully that doesn't sound too vitriolic of me but I felt that the above comments could not go unchallenged although hopefully in a nice way.
    From wiktionary - vitriolic
    Etymology
    Confer French vitriolique.


    Adjective
    vitriolic

    of, derived from, or similar to a vitriol
    bitterly scathing; caustic: vitriolic criticism
    (chemistry): Of or pertaining to vitriol; derived from, or resembling, vitriol; vitriolous; as, a vitriolic taste.

    See also
    Vitriolic acid
    sulphuric acid
    vitriol
    Trefor, would you mind translating your own posts in english, to english! I had to look this word up!

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    Au contraire, my Dear Grant, I am pleased to be expanding your knowledge of the English language as spoken in the Mother Country!
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    Cymru, Yr Alban, Iwerddon, Cernyw, Ynys Manau a Lydaw am byth! Yng Nghiltiau Ynghyd!
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