Difference between a "dancing" kilt and any other, and liners?

[wildrover]

Like the title says...how is a "dancing" kilt different from any other kilt? Specifically, how is it different from an 8yd, 16oz kilt?

Further, what is this "liner" I keep reading about...does it extend further down than the waistband?

Thanks,
Sean

[Heming]

The lining of a kilt extends down to the bottom of the fell, to cover up and protect the tailoring on the inside (canvas and suchlike). It's usually a light cotton broadcloth or similar.

Someone else will have to tell us about dancing kilts!

[JolyStNicholas]

Dancing Kilts! hehehehehehe!

[Panache]

The one and only Barb T would really be the one to comment on this, I'll send her a PM and will have to see if she weighs in.

As I recall Barb noted that the third strap on a kilt is not needed save for highland dancers who can use the additional help in keeping the kilt from flaring up.

Also dance kilts tend to use the dress tartans that show up better to a judge sitting some 30-40 feet away. From that distance a tartan with more subtle colors variations (i.e. Black Watch) are just going to look dark.

I have never heard of a longer liner for "dance kilts". Would this be for modesty? Because Highland dancers and Scottish Country Dancers, like Highland Athletes in general always wear some sort of dark colored underwear for modesty' sake.

Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

[hospitaller]

I have never heard of a longer liner for "dance kilts". Would this be for modesty? Because Highland dancers and Scottish Country Dancers, like Highland Athletes in general always wear some sort of dark colored underwear for modesty' sake.

Cheers

Jamie :ootd:

from pictures I've seen of Scottish Highland Games, underwear or athletic shorts only happen in the US, most if not all male dancers and highland athletes in scotland participate au natural, as a kilt should be worn.

[MartinGrenoble]

Two points caught my attention :

Barb said dancers did not wear kilt pins. Oh?
I've rarely seen a klit without one, personally.

Friday advised "check to see if they accept men".
I've never come across a dance group that did not welcome new men (provided of course that they know their left foot from their right), since the male/female ratio is usually quite unbalanced.

I don't wish to dwell on delicate matters, but it has always been a tradition, even within the military, to be correctly "dressed" when dancing.

Martin

[Panache]

from pictures I've seen of Scottish Highland Games, underwear or athletic shorts only happen in the US, most if not all male dancers and highland athletes in scotland participate au natural, as a kilt should be worn.

Hector,

I disagree with you

Having had a bit of chat with someone on the other side of the pond and offered a bit of evidence to share, let me try to convince you that there are some situations where it is best and /or required to wear undergarments with a kilt.

Highland dancing at these events are done in accordance with the Scottish Official Board of Highland Dancing (SOBHD) rules. The dress code can be found at http://www.sobhd.net/downloads/pdfs/...0code%20v2.pdf

You will note that the wearing of dark or toning with the kilt coloured underwear is required for Gentlemen. Lady dancers are also required to wear undergarments but are also allowed white underwear for certain classes of dance.

Here is a picture from McClef showing a correctly attired highland dancer from the Harpenden gathering:




Now the kilt is mainly worn only in the heavy athletic events. It would seem that the wearing of undershorts ('bicycle short' style black Lycra) under the kilt seems quite common.

Here's a heavy competitor from the Braemar games this year




When one is going engaged in public performing activities one knows have a probability of exposing oneself, it behooves a gentleman or lady to take appropriate precautions.

My thanks to my friend over the pond for their insight and assistance.

Cheers


Jamie :ootd:

[The Wizard of BC]

To expand the explanation of the liner of a Kilt a little further.

Inside a Traditional Style Kilt in the area of the Fell which is where the pleats are sewn down and tapered, there are added internal constructions. Most noteabley are the Stabilizer which spans across the back from one buckle to the other to take the stresses of wearing the Kilt and keep them off the stitching. And the interfacing which is a piece of "Hair Canvas". This is not normal canvas but a product with is very loosly woven and stiffer in the vertical direction than in the horizontal. This interfacing reaches the entire length of the Kilt from one apron edge strap all the way across to the other apron strap.
The purpose of the Stabilizer and Interfacing is to take the stresses of wearing and moving in the Kilt and to help the Kilt keep its shape without puckers and popped stitches.
The excess fabric inside the pleats are also cut-away to thin the back of the Kilt preventing "Pillow butt"

The Liner is then sewn in to cover all the internal construction details.

Some think that the liner is there to keep the Kilt clean. Well, if that were the case then it would be removable and washable.

No, it's there simply to cover up all the unseen stuff built into the Kilt.

[The Wizard of BC]

To quote from "The Art of Kiltmaking"

"There's no such thing as a 'dancer's kilt', and kilts for dance competitions are measured and laid out exactly the same way as a kilt for a man."

pg. 25 second printing.

[Santa Kona]

Interesting.