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14th February 11, 07:26 AM
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US or Confederate kilted units? Ever?
The US Army - as befits a force that had the French as allies during the Revolution and the British as adversaries, for most of its first 150 years of history emulated French military styles. Americans wore their medals like the French, wore facial hair like the French, adopted bugle calls, kepis, the works. They raised regiments of Zouaves because it was the French style, and the French style was, at least until Napoleon lll, a winning one.
Was there ever - even once - a kilted US or Confederate unit raised perhaps during the Civil War? Americans would see redcoats in kilts as enemies who fought them in two wars in North America, so I find it hard to imagine, but I'm curious. What do our experts say?
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14th February 11, 07:30 AM
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Never kilted in battle, but the New York 79th Volunteers wore kilts on parade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/79th_Ne...nteer_Infantry
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14th February 11, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by beloitpiper
***. This is what I found too. Did not notice if they mentioned the tartan, altough they did mention the kilt was box pleated...
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14th February 11, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartan Tartan
***. This is what I found too. Did not notice if they mentioned the tartan, altough they did mention the kilt was box pleated...
I believe it was one of the Cameron ones, but I stand to be corrected.
An after thought. Cameron of Erracht, perhaps?
Last edited by Jock Scot; 14th February 11 at 08:18 AM.
Reason: an after thought
" Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the adherence of idle minds and minor tyrants". Field Marshal Lord Slim.
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14th February 11, 07:52 AM
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I have found a couple different pictures. But I am the LAST person that is able to identify a tartan by looking at it. Maybe I can get one to post here...or at least the link.
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14th February 11, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jock Scot
I believe it was one of the Cameron ones, but I stand to be corrected.
I do believe you are correct. They referred to themselves as the Cameron Highland Rifles as I recall from my father's days in Civil War reenacting.
"Two things are infinite- the universe, and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein.
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14th February 11, 08:08 AM
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Re the notion that Redcoats would be resented: If you check out a book that has just come to my attention, Canadians In The Civil War by Claire Hoy, you will see that although the Union had thousands of Canadians (still British at the time) fighting on their side, Canada was in fact very Confederate-friendly. Also, while the Revolution was still in memory, the Confederates were probably very Scots friendly, since huge numbers of their forces were from of Scots and Scots-Irish backgrounds, and also because of Sir Walter Scott, the author, who was so popular in his day that Mark Twain blamed him for the whole Civil War through his promotion of chivilric notions of soldierhood.
(I can't swear that 'chivilric' is a word, but I refer to the promotion of noble codes of behaviour and citizenship from the Middle Ages.)
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14th February 11, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartan Tartan
***. This is what I found too. Did not notice if they mentioned the tartan, altough they did mention the kilt was box pleated...
FTA:
"Cameron of Erracht Trousers in the large military set with a tartan repeat of 9". The tartan was matched and had a Victorian trousers cut to them consistent with common trousers of the late 1850s"
"The kilts were made of the same Cameron of Erracht. They were not pleated to the line as is common in military regiments, but to the set as seen in civilian kilts. The kilts are very odd and unlike any kilt before or since thanks to their unqualified manufactures. They were box pleated, and used two tartan straps that buckled into suspender buckles on either hip. Because of their lack in size variation, suspenders were worn with them.
Original Kilt information: http://emuseum.nyhistory.org"
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14th February 11, 07:32 AM
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Google the New York 79th Highlanders. There are also some fantastic resources here.
History records no CSA divisions that wore the kilt.
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14th February 11, 07:34 AM
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I am not aware of any kilted Confederate forces, I vaguely remember a Highland type regiment wearing on for parade. There was a story floating around about a unit wanting to go be kilted in combat and were refusing to serve till McClellan threatened to shoot them. Not sure if there is any validity to that story.
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