Kosher Hair Canvas

[xman]

I've had a request to make a kilt for Jewish man and he is concerned that there be no linen in the kilt. I have read the list of fibres in the hair canvas I have bought, but primarily just to see the percentage of hair that's included and although I don't recall for certain that there is linen in it I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was commonly so. So I'm looking for some hair canvas that doesn't include linen or perhaps for some more simply put, I'm looking for kosher canvas. Can anyone offer some insight, suggestions and/or directions?

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[Dixiecat]

http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart...nterfacing.htm

http://www.voguefabricsstore.com/Int...s-Hymo-62.html

Hymo Hair Canvas - medium weight. Fibre content 80%wool 40%goat hair. Hope that content is ok. Also, two layers of medium weight can create a nice heavy weight stiffness.

[xman]

See this thread:

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...reality-64472/

I did see that thread, but found this quote disheartening:

The kilter also developed an unique method of of using special stabilising materials and procedures, capable of handling extreme pulling of the tartan without any shifting of the tartan. This process remains proprietary and confidential.

(my bold)

http://www.habermanfabrics.com/scart...nterfacing.htm

http://www.voguefabricsstore.com/Int...s-Hymo-62.html

Hymo Hair Canvas - medium weight. Fibre content 80%wool 40%goat hair. Hope that content is ok. Also, two layers of medium weight can create a nice heavy weight stiffness.

Ta muchly. That should do the trick nicely.

Thanks to everyone for your input.

[Ryan Ross]

Hymo Hair Canvas - medium weight. Fibre content 80%wool 40%goat hair.

That fabric sounds pretty unbelievable.

[Dixiecat]

That fabric sounds pretty unbelievable.

Oh. Well, they use super goats so it all adds up. ;)

This process remains proprietary and confidential

Pffft. Don't let that statement bother you. Sew-ers can devise all sorts of solutions to their problems with a little thought. As a sew-er, considering that he's talking about stabilizing/steeking methods in a kilt, that proprietary and confidential statement is a little over the top.

[xman]

Pffft. Don't let that statement bother you. Sew-ers can devise all sorts of solutions to their problems with a little thought. As a sew-er, considering that he's talking about stabilizing/steeking methods in a kilt, that proprietary and confidential statement is a little over the top.

Indeed, but it is a little off putting. Gives me the impression that they might not be that helpful.

[Dixiecat]

Indeed, but it is a little off putting. Gives me the impression that they might not be that helpful.

Indeed. Again, based on my experience as a sew-er and having been involved in the business of fit/pattern design and drafting and sewing education for quite a few years, I have found that closing off a technique like that is completely backward and completely alien. Some people seem to think that their knowledge is worth more than it is, sometimes it is, but in that particular instance, no, it's not.

However, doesn't hurt to ask!

[Rabbi_Pazo]

Dear Friend,

I understand that you are interested in obtaining materials for making a "kosher" kilt. First of all the tern "Kosher" pertains to food only, as the Laws of Kashrut govern what may be kosher or pasul (no fit).

I do own seventeenkilts made under strict rabbinical supervision to ensure that the applicable laws ( the Law of Sha'anetz) were observed, in addition to the laws of Shomeir Shabbat (which prohibit the performance of "Melakhot" during Shabbat or Yamin Tovim.

I designed a tartan specifically for Rabbi, and co-designed several other "Israeli" tartans inspired on places on the Holy Land.

When obtaining the tartan, you have to consult with your weaver to ENSURE that no part of the process of the weaving, setting of the llom etc. take place on Shabbat of Yamin Tovim. This can be easily accomplish by having clear written and verbal comunications with the weaver.

Once you obtain the tartan, you must finf a kiltmaker that is knowlegeable about the laws of Sha'anetz and Shabbat. There can be NO misture of any other material other than wool, including the sewing thread and the stibilizing material. This is by far the hardest part of the process, since the only person I know that accomplishes this has made this process a proprietary part of the construction of your kilt (a sort of kiltmaker's trade secret).

The entine kilt is 100% hand sewn using virgin wool (tratan not previously used). Since this forum does not permit the posting of websites, you will have to find hi yourself via google or other search engine. If you find my piping website, there is a direct link to this very special kiltmaker.by the way the result is an extraordinarily strong "Heirloom Quality" kilt capable withstanding tremendous amounts of pulling pressure without the slightest shift on the tartan.

As you have already figure out, being a Jew is not easy. Good luck!

Kindest Regards,

Rabbi Dr. Raphael Pazo

[sydnie7]

There have been several threads along this line. Searching brings up this thread, for example, in which Steve provides burn test guidelines. There was also a thread and link (which I can't find just now, sorry) to a fellow's website where he addressed the question exhaustively in the context of having a very special kilt made with all sorts of hidden meanings in thread count, pleat count, not stitched on the Sabbath, etc. That site might give you some additional insights, I'll keep looking or perhaps another member has it to hand.

[Paul Henry]

I'm not sure if there are degrees of acceptance with what can go into a kilt, I mean the type of fabrics and thread. I did have a long telephone conversation with Rabbi Passo ( to whom Sydnie refers, I'll find the thread in a moment)and he was very careful to ensure there were no mixed fibres at all. I quizzed him about polyester thread, or cotton thread and he forbade the use of them as well.His kiltmaker had to sew with woollen thread , which must have been extremely difficult,and I would venture to suggest not as strong as well.I wonder what the lining was made out of.
Perahps it is best to ask the client exactly what is allowed, if it's only linen that is forbidden that will make the making much easier.

This is the thread
rabbinical tartan and kilt