Here's a new version of The Question!

[CameronCat]

Well!

This story: http://tinyurl.com/4y6je67 (MSNBC, about a week ago) certainly provides a different perspective.

Seems it's not just guys that get questioned.

[Spartan Tartan]

Wow....

[Nighthawk]

Well, if you don't know how to dress yourself, you shouldn't get upset when people call you on it. My daughter wanted to go put in her first-ever job application tonight. I refused to let her do in her pijammas. Quite frankly, when you do something to call attention to yourself, you take the attention that comes your way.

[English Bloke]

Provided all is decent ie. bits are not being flashed, it matters not what a person wears. And there is no excuse for jamming a handheld radio between her legs to investigate either. Put yourself in her position kilties.

If the lady did have shorts on there isn't a problem and if the attendant couldn't see the shorts then he couldn't see anything else either so again, what's the problem? There shouldn't be a dress code on a plane. Me thinks these aviationists are a bit up themselves, it's a flying bus when all said and done.

As for saggy pants guy at the end of the story. I don't like them at all but I'm not offended by them. I wouldn't stop anyone wearing them either. No reason to eject someone from a flight. You might be able to see his underpants but you can't see the crack of his ar*e so again, so what?

JetBlue? I'll not be flying with them ever (not that it's likely I might have)...

[Nighthawk]

Provided all is decent ie. bits are not being flashed, it matters not what a person wears. And there is no excuse for jamming a handheld radio between her legs to investigate either. Put yourself in her position kilties.

If the lady did have shorts on there isn't a problem and if the attendant couldn't see the shorts then he couldn't see anything else either so again, what's the problem? There shouldn't be a dress code on a plane. Me thinks these aviationists are a bit up themselves, it's a flying bus when all said and done.

As for saggy pants guy at the end of the story. I don't like them at all but I'm not offended by them. I wouldn't stop anyone wearing them either. No reason to eject someone from a flight. You might be able to see his underpants but you can't see the crack of his ar*e so again, so what?

JetBlue? I'll not be flying with them ever (not that it's likely I might have)...

The handheld radio bit... Yeah, if that happened, that was of course totally uncalled for. And if the lady did have shorts on, then what was her problem showing it? It goes from a simple question of dignity to outright defiance. Jet Blue is a privately owned airline, and as such, if you use it, you accept their rules. So long as those rules don't violate your privacy. Simply making sure a person is clothed decently doesn't violate anyone's privacy. On the subject of the saggy pants thing... Jet Blue is a privately owned company. If you don't like their dress code, fly with someone else!

[English Bloke]

The handheld radio bit... Yeah, if that happened, that was of course totally uncalled for. And if the lady did have shorts on, then what was her problem showing it? It goes from a simple question of dignity to outright defiance. Jet Blue is a privately owned airline, and as such, if you use it, you accept their rules. So long as those rules don't violate your privacy. Simply making sure a person is clothed decently doesn't violate anyone's privacy. On the subject of the saggy pants thing... Jet Blue is a privately owned company. If you don't like their dress code, fly with someone else!

My emphasis in bold

You sound cross with me Nighthawk. I just might do that, and here's why.

Mmmmm... Private company providing a public service, It's not a private service...

Why should she have to lift her shirt to show her shorts? I don't understand that. If she had been wearing a skirt and was asked to lift that, the public would be rightly outraged and the attendant probably fired. I don't see the difference. If I was ever asked to lift my kilt to prove my under-crackers, the response would be sharp, probably two worded and starting and ending in "F". They would get more than defiance let me tell you!

I wouldn't fly with them now that I know that passenger harassment and physical assault are a company policy. I pick and choose who I give my money to. There are a couple of airlines and some other (not related to aviation) companies I will never deal with again having experienced their very poor customer service so I have no qualms about not flying with this lot. They don't do UK as far as I know so it's academic but hey, you never know.

Incidentally, I have no problem abiding by anybody's rules if those rules are clear at the onset. Does this private company advertise their dress code boldly so customers are fully aware of the conditions before they part with their cash, ie. clear statement to the effect:

"NO T-shirt dresses allowed onboard our aircraft" or similar words;

or is it tucked away in the tiny print so they can spring it on busy people who don't have time to read pages of T&C's but use it as an ar*e covering exercise when trouble looms? Does it also state:

"Persons failing to comply with our company policy on dress can expect to be accosted and manhandled by our flight attendants?"

I doubt it, I dunno and frankly I don't care. I just hate draconian, nit-pickyness without good reason. Nudity in public? Not to be tolerated. No nudity? No problem. It all smacks of corporate bullying to me, We have the power so we will exercise it...

From the evidence provided by the story, and assuming it is accurate, I think the attendant overstepped the mark. If this is found to be true, it is HE who should face the music and the passenger should be compensated...

[WillieMacG]

Me thinks these aviationists are a bit up themselves, it's a flying bus when all said and done.

Exactly.

[Frank McGrath]

Just be careful wearing a kilt into McCarron airport in Las Vegas. The tsa guy there did not like me wearing a kilt and he let me know it. Next trip to vegas, I'm walking.

[Dale Seago]

Just be careful wearing a kilt into McCarron airport in Las Vegas. The tsa guy there did not like me wearing a kilt and he let me know it.

Really? What about it did he object to?

I'm not going to Nevada anytime soon, but this is of some concern because I'm flying from San Francisco to Denver two weeks from today to visit my parents and attend the Rocky Mountain Highland Games, and I'm planning to fly kilted.

[Pour1Malt]

aye Bloke is richt! it's nay yins business what's under her shirt/skirt or my kilt!


flying frae LA years ago I was told tae remove my kilt because o' the buckles... when I explained I'd be standing there wearing nothing but my socks and shirt they decided tae use the wand....